Leaked/breaking:Roe v. Wade expected to be overturned

[Hatin Since 87]

A prosecutor that doesn't prosecute.

Good to see ya!

 

[ljk]

They would be alive.

where? send them to camps? the caring moms couldn't find formulas even they wanted to.

Ever think of making the parents financially responsible?

The legislative branch has to make it happen, but in the current political (correctness) environment, do your think it's realistic?

These people don't want their kids, why would they want to pay for raise them. Many of them are already on welfare.

Ideology and reality are different things.

 

[jamil]

They would be alive.

It's better to be a live dog than a dead lion? Is that it?

Instead of just being satisfied that they're alive, if you really believe in the sanctity of life, why not care to help them have a good, productive, responsible life? Maybe you can't adopt them. Can you help push, as hard as you pushed to overturn RvW, to make adoption laws less onerous? Because when it was a choice, you guys pushed the idea of adoption over abortion. And that's a way better solution than abortion. But adoption isn't a viable solution to the problem when there will likely be more babies than people who can actually get through the red tape and expense to adopt these kids.

Can you help in other ways? Or just fold your arms and say, "yep, maybe they live in squalor, at least they're not dead. Hi Five, y'all. We did it!"

If life is sacred, it's no less sacred after birth. I'm not advocating for abortion. I'm saying the job ain't done if we all really think life is sacred. It's a cop-out to just blame irresponsibility. You guys figured out that it's not the child's fault the parents were irresponsible with sex when the child was in the womb. But outside the womb it's now different?

 

[Shadow01]

This is why we will NEVER be able to reason with the left.
The entire mission of the SCOTUS is to interpret law (not MAKE law) based on if it is in line with the Constitution.
ZERO understanding of reality... Just give me what I want...

They want what they want by any means…

 

[Shadow01]

It's better to be a live dog than a dead lion? Is that it?

Instead of just being satisfied that they're alive, if you really believe in the sanctity of life, why not care to help them have a good, productive, responsible life? Maybe you can't adopt them. Can you help push, as hard as you pushed to overturn RvW, to make adoption laws less onerous? Because when it was a choice, you guys pushed the idea of adoption over abortion. And that's a way better solution than abortion. But adoption isn't a viable solution to the problem when there will likely be more babies than people who can actually get through the red tape and expense to adopt these kids.

Can you help in other ways? Or just fold your arms and say, "yep, maybe they live in squalor, at least they're not dead. Hi Five, y'all. We did it!"

If life is sacred, it's no less sacred after birth. I'm not advocating for abortion. I'm saying the job ain't done if we all really think life is sacred. It's a cop-out to just blame irresponsibility. You guys figured out that it's not the child's fault the parents were irresponsible with sex when the child was in the womb. But outside the womb it's now different?

Why not ask the children that were saved from abortion If they prefer to be alive? Why do you choose what an acceptable life is for them? Let them have the chance to make their own life.

 

[BugI02]

I think the next Republican POTUS needs to gut the DoJ and reorganize it. Do it in a way that allows you to shitcan the management who aren't political appointees. CIA needs to be reorganized too.

With civil service protections being what they are, IS there a way to do that short of closing the whole thing down?

One of the more effective end runs around CS protections IMO was the idea of moving the headquarters well outside of DC. I believe that idea resulted in almost 40% of upper echelon peeps saying they would quit if that was done to DoI. The problem is the rules then say you have to consider them for jobs at other agencies

Tearing the heart out of the leftist managerial class in the GS ranks is going to be a very complicated job and requires a lot more help fro Trump or DeSantis to be already in place in 2024. Vote accordingly and remember perfection is the enemy of good enough. a willingness to take down the current entrenched system IMO will be the most important characteristic a candidate can have

 

[jamil]

Why not ask the children that were saved from abortion If they prefer to be alive? Why do you choose what an acceptable life is for them? Let them have the chance to make their own life.

Did you read the post? I did not argue against the things you say here. I did not argue in favor of abortion.

 

[Ingomike]

You are not providing solutions to the problem or help to these babies.

Why do you go personal? I have ideas for solutions. The only idea you seem to have is killing them…

 

[Quiet Observer]

I do not agree with the argument - "You will probably have a hard life, so we should kill you now".

 

[Shadow01]

Crime has so many causes. How can we tell crime has gone up or down because of things like overturning RvW, or other public policies? How much has crime increased lately because progressive prosecutors won’t charge criminals? Or because of the culture war? If we stop the drug war before 2037, how much will that affect the crime rate at the same time?

Everyone wants to say their social favorite reduced crime. Removing lead from gasoline reduced crime. Less strict gun laws reduced crime. Legalization of abortions reduced crime. Easing poverty reduced crime. Lots of simultaneous claims of causes for the same stats. I’m sure it has multivariate causes. I’m just skeptical that everyone is right who has a pet social cause to claim.

Killing criminals reduces recidivism.

 

[BugI02]

#2) Extremely easy access to contraceptives. Once young people understand from early on how babies are made and how contraceptives work they need to have the means to make responsible choices.

This is bad parenting and bad policy. A pregnancy is far from the only bad thing that can arise from casual, careless sexuality

I do not think it is the government's place to decide FOR parents what, when and how much to teach their children about sex, either

 

[foszoe]

Good to see ya!

until i decide to attack you via PM!

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

A plastic Baptist is a fake one.

the church has always had these people in it. In fact we were studying Acts 5 today on this very subject.

 

[BugI02]

What claim was there against true Christians? A plastic Baptist is a fake one.

True Scotsman fallacy ==> True Christian fallacy

Not sure you're the one to judge where the line lies, either. Are you not a non-believer?

 

[BugI02]

You are not providing solutions to the problem or help to these babies.

The only solution you are offering is to go on killing them at a prodigious rate. That also does not solve the problem nor 'help these babies'

By your lights the Nazis were 'helping' the Jews, and I believe their leader did indeed claim he was providing a 'solution'

 

[jamil]

With civil service protections being what they are, IS there a way to do that short of closing the whole thing down?

I think a reorganization of the DoJ may be the only way. I'm not sure it's possible to even gut the FBI otherwise.

One of the more effective end runs around CS protections IMO was the idea of moving the headquarters well outside of DC. I believe that idea resulted in almost 40% of upper echelon peeps saying they would quit if that was done to DoI. The problem is the rules then say you have to consider them for jobs at other agencies

Completely agreed on this. A reorg of DoJ that moves parts of it to deep red, rural parts of the reddest states might cause the activists in high level GS employees to seek other employment.

Tearing the heart out of the leftist managerial class in the GS ranks is going to be a very complicated job and requires a lot more help fro Trump or DeSantis to be already in place in 2024. Vote accordingly and remember perfection is the enemy of good enough. a willingness to take down the current entrenched system IMO will be the most important characteristic a candidate can have

I have no general disagreement with anything here. I completely agree. The highlighted text especially. And this was the reason I kept saying I voted for Trump notwithstanding his faults. Not a virtue signal. If there's not an ideal choice, and there never is, you have to pick least worst.

 

[Ingomike]

For me, it seems there are far more keyboard pro-lifers than the actual foster/adopting parents out there.

See, no debate, just slander…

 

[Ingomike]

For starters, I have a different opinion with abortion than most here, And with that opinion of being a pro abortion conservative, buts me in a tough place here.

Should one be banned for a differing opinion? Its difficult also to moderate when one has a differing opinion.

I believe we have no business making laws that involve a womans medical choice with her body.

Personally, I would have left roe-wade stand. Its a sad day now for lower economic class women who live in States that abortions have and will be outlawed.
A women with no means without local access to clinics has a narrow choice of options.
Most here are not old enough to have seen 50 years ago here.
A few short years from now, they will see.
I might respond to a few of those bells in the top corner, I might not.
I most likely will step away from this thread.

So no discussion just a drive by opinion? Why bother…

 

[jamil]

Killing criminals reduces recidivism.

Not just that. Killing potential criminals reduces crime. How’s that?


Disclaimer: I’m not seriously advocating either.

 

[BugI02]

If you're talking about keyboard warriors online, this is true.

If you're talking about the actual people on the streets in front of abortion clinics, the workers at crisis pregnancy centers, or virtually anyone else involved in the pro-life movement in any way that involves doing more that talking/typing about it, than that is a horrible, bald-faced lie.

How in the world are all these people on here, on both sides of the debate, talking like there's this huge queue of children out there who have no one to adopt them? My wife and I looked into adoption for years, what we found is that it's virtually impossible without first paying tens of thousands to an adoption agency to set up a profile for you, do a home visit, etc, etc, and then, even after the field has been culled of anyone who can't afford that, for every baby that comes up for adoption in this country there are, on average, 20-30 couples in line waiting to adopt the baby.

Even if the baby isn't put up for adoption, crisis pregnancy centers offer women thousands of dollar worth of free help, from diapers to cribs to bottles to free medical care, you name it. And I have personally seen many pro-life counselors give thousands of dollars of their own money to help women they've met going into abortion clinics with anything from rent money to food.

I myself have stood outside of abortion clinics for over a decade; both myself and many other people I have personally witnessed have offered thousands of women information on adoption, pre-natal and post-natal care, free diapers and baby supplies, and if they didn't want the red tape of going through an adoption agency, we had many people, myself included, who would be overjoyed to be able to adopt an unwanted child personally. While we helped countless women with material assistance, in all these years we've only had ONE woman who took us up on the offer of adoption. My wife and I were over the moon thinking we might finally be able to adopt, but unfortunately the woman ended up miscarrying, so it never happened.

I haven't read all the posts on here yet, but I've seen some people conflating adoption with foster care. Foster care is NOT adoption, and kids in foster care are typically not unwanted by their parents, but rather are in state custody due to abusive parents, or due do being orphans. Being a foster parent doesn't mean adopting children, it means playing nanny for the state, and taking care of a child who you have no custody of, absolutely no rights to raise as you see fit, and who can be taken away again at any point. Sometimes you can adopt a child from the foster care system, but this is relatively rare, so it's a much harder sell to get people to foster children. Plus this whole thing isn't really related to the question of outlawing abortion; unwanted newborns don't go in the foster system (except maybe under unusual circumstances that I'm not aware of) they go up for adoption.

TLDR: YES! I will personally adopt any child who is unwanted by the mother, especially if she is/was considering abortion, and if my life circumstances change to where I can't, I know many other couples who can. I'm NOT JOKING, if you know a woman in these circumstances, who is afraid of the red tape and bureaucracy of an adoption agency, please PM me, and I will give you my cell number; I am happy to talk to her personally, or connect her with even more experienced pro-life counselors who can help her with adoption.

Excellent post. REAL information from someone on the front lines

I would also like to point out that many on both sides in this discussion seem to assume that the change in circumstance will have no effect on the other variables and inconvenient pregnancies will just continue at the same rate resulting in number of abortions translating seamlessly into number of unwanted children

I think it much more likely that a new and very different equilibrium point will be achieved