Just in case you were sleeping We lost New York

[Ted]

[/CENTER]

I suggest that you learn what "socialism" is before using the word again.

I'll bite. What are you supposed to be stating?

 

[Ted]

And now for the rest of the story.........

For anyone who would care for a historical perspective lesson in this matter, this is no different from the Sullivan Act of 1911, a law that disarmed the law abiding people of New York.

In the wake of a notorious Gramercy Park blueblood murder-suicide, the Sullivan Act was passed by the NY Legislature to halt further such crimes, by outlawing the possession of an unlicensed weapon. In reality, gangsters had been bitterly complaining to State Senator Timothy Sullivan, via Tammany Hall, that their victims sometimes shot back at them.

Sullivan knew the criminals would flout the law, but appearances were more important than results.

Little has changed over the last 102 years.

 

[miguel]

I would just turn the city over to the criminals (politicians included) and get out of there as soon as possible.

I think they are already in charge, dude!

 

[Justin Case]

Under the new NY law, NY health care professionals are required to report patients names to the state if they feel a person might be a danger to themselves or others. Think about the ramifications. How many gun owners will now not seek professional help for problems they may have because they will be reported. Fewer people seeking help will likely mean fewer people getting help. How does this help? And you thought your medical records were confidential!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/15/mental-health-experts-new-york-gun-law_n_2480508.html

 

[Roadie]

Under the new NY law, NY health care professionals are required to report patients names to the state if they feel a person might be a danger to themselves or others. Think about the ramifications. How many gun owners will now not seek professional help for problems they may have because they will be reported. Fewer people seeking help will likely mean fewer people getting help. How does this help? And you thought your medical records were confidential!

Mental Health Experts Worry New York Gun Laws May Discourage Proper Treatment

..but it is illegal under Obamacare for a health professional to document anything gun and/or ammo related on a patient's record.. Hmm

 

[Justin Case]

..but it is illegal under Obamacare for a health professional to document anything gun and/or ammo related on a patient's record.. Hmm

Perhaps NY legislators wrote their bill in haste

 

[Slawburger]

Why does the law matter in another state?

Answer: Precedent

This needs to be challenged and overturned or it will be used as a template.

 

[Bersalover]

" An owner caught at home with eight or more bullets in a magazine could face a misdemeanor charge."

Read more: Bill called 'toughest gun control package in the nation' passed by New York Senate | Fox News


How scary is that wording

 

[Miller Tyme]

* ban on pre 1994 mags with cap of 11 or more
* ban on mags over 7 rounds
* background checks on all ammo purchases
* mental health reporting which is to be checked against the (new??) gun registry database
* 1 feature test for AW. Bushmaster AR banned by name
* 10 round mags to be grandfathered in but may only be loaded with 7 rounds (read elsewhere this will be a misdemeanor)
* all sales of ammo from registered ammo dealers to be reported to local police
* background check on all ammo purcahses
* ban of direct internet ammo purchases
* ammo purchases to go through FFL
* five year renewable registration for AW and handguns

S2230-2013 - NY Senate Open Legislation - Licensure, suspension and revocation of firearms licenses - New York State Senate

And how exactly do you prove a Hi-Cap steel AK or AR mag is post 94

Polymer, maybe by when it was introduced into the market place but one made of steel, well they have been turning them out since 1950 for AK mags and the early 60's for AR mags

 

[AK-74]

We lost it a while ago

 

[jiggypete]

Hilarious that 10 round mags are grandfathered, but can only be loaded with 7 rounds. What is the logic behind the 7 rounds? Anything more than 7 can kill people?

 

[digitalphoenix]

Sounds like they need a march over there. That garbage is out of control.

Are you serious? No one is going to march out in the streets when they are too busy figuring out who's going to win on X-factor.

 

[foszoe]

Hilarious that 10 round mags are grandfathered, but can only be loaded with 7 rounds. What is the logic behind the 7 rounds? Anything more than 7 can kill people?

Well since it took the lady in Alanta ??? 5 shots to drive off one attacker, people in NY can sleep easy knowing that they can drive off 1 and 2/5 attackers.

I am sure those yahoos think its like the movies where one bullet drives an assailant back 10 feet and they collapse instantly.

 

[Miller Tyme]

Hilarious that 10 round mags are grandfathered, but can only be loaded with 7 rounds. What is the logic behind the 7 rounds? Anything more than 7 can kill people?

And we all know that criminals will only load 7 rounds!

 

[Bunnykid68]

Are you serious? No one is going to march out in the streets when they are too busy figuring out who's going to win on X-factor.

I am off until next thursday, I will go.

 

[ryan3030]

Bushmaster AR banned by name

Curious where you got that, the word Bushmaster does not appear in the document you linked to.

 

[jiggypete]

And we all know that criminals will only load 7 rounds!

The conscientious criminals will only load 6. You know, they wouldn't want to break any laws!

 

[Vanguard.45]

Cars should be next!

Let's take the anti's "logic" to another area where tragedies are occurring every day- AUTOMOBILES.

There is a percentage of people who drive vehicles while intoxicated or distracted or texting.

If those vehicles are going "too fast" (pick a number at random, sort of how NY came up with "7 is OK, but 8 leads to mass shooting success"), then those individuals could lose control and kill LOTS of people if they drive into a crowd.

Thus, NONE OF US should have access to automobiles capable of driving over the speed limit deemed as "SAFE" by our masters. After all, vehicle fatalities in this country outweigh firearm fatalities probably fifty to one each year!

We should DEMAND action right away!!!

Then, we can all just drive cars not capable of driving faster than the average bicycle. Those six hour commutes are gonna be GREAT!!!

Wonder what the antis would say to that line of logic, since it is EXACTLY the same as they are using in reference to guns???

 

[brentlh]

Why does the law matter in another state?

Answer: Precedent

This needs to be challenged and overturned or it will be used as a template.

Exactly. What is with the comments about oh well, I will never go to NY. We have to stand united or divided we fall.

 

[BlueEagle]

Exactly. What is with the comments about oh well, I will never go to NY. We have to stand united or divided we fall.

Precisely. Contact your representatives, support the NRA, and do your part.