It's official, Trump has been Acquitted

[nonobaddog]

The reason I stipulated that the simple majority in the house should include 1/3 of the president’s party, is that a partisan supermajority could still provide purely partisan articles of impeachment. This happened to Johnson. The house overwhelmingly voted in favor of the articles 147-46.

Only 4 Representatives from Johnson’s own party voted in favor. It was about as partisan as it could be. The Senate also had a supermajority and could have voted to convict, but the constitutional arguments made against impeachment by the defense, which was essentially Dershowitz’s argument, convinced enough Republicans that the rule of law were more important to the Republic than their partisan whims were to them. I’m saying the requirement would be put in place so that impeaching the president does not even make it to the senate unless it has bipartisan support (at least 2/3 of the president’s own party) even if the overall vote is a simple majority.

About the standard of actual damage to the Republic, I’m not sure there’s an objective way to define that. Every side is gonna rationalize it into favoring them. But I don’t really have a problem making that the standard and then watching the parties break limbs while contorting the logic to fit their partisan needs. Doesn’t matter a lot if they still have to get support from the other party.

This would never happen with the dumocraps of today. Their whims are much more important to them than the rule of law.

 

[jamil]

This would never happen with the dumocraps of today. Their whims are much more important to them than the rule of law.

That generally happens with more extreme partisans regardless of party. We’ve had some arguments right here on INGO where some posters were just fine with ignoring rule of law because the liked the outcome of ignoring it.

 

[nonobaddog]

Seems to be happening more and more these days, what with selective law enforcement, 'safe spaces', sanctuaries, etc., etc.

 

[Doug]

That generally happens with more extreme partisans regardless of party. We’ve had some arguments right here on INGO where some posters were just fine with ignoring rule of law because the liked the outcome of ignoring it.

Like Joe Biden's quid pro quo declared perfectly fine.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Iowa Senator Joni Ernst warned Sunday that Republicans would immediately push to impeach Joe Biden over his work in Ukraine as vice president if he win the White House.

 

[Leadeye]

Continuous impeachment, forever.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Remember all the times you arrested people for breaking one of "kut's laws" that weren't actual laws on the books?Please tell us of all the convictions that resulted.

Nope, not taking the bait.

 

[Ingomike]

Continuous impeachment, forever.

That is the new reality?

 

[Vigilant]

Impeach the MOTHER****ER! Whomever it may be, THAT is the result of the 2016 election. Nobody cares the economy is booming, unemployment for EVERYONE is at historical lows, in general the country is doing GREAT. Orangeman Bad must Impeach is the ONLY thing the Democratic Party cares about, its more important to remove Trump NOW, than try and beat him in November.

 

[Hatin Since 87]

Impeach the MOTHER****ER! Whomever it may be, THAT is the result of the 2016 election. Nobody cares the economy is booming, unemployment for EVERYONE is at historical lows, in general the country is doing GREAT. Orangeman Bad must Impeach is the ONLY thing the Democratic Party cares about, its more important to remove Trump NOW, than try and beat him in November.

All that may be true, but he says mean things, which is far more important than the economy and country as a whole.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

All that may be true, but he says mean things, which is far more important than the economy and country as a whole.

I've got to say, that Donald Trump has never said a single mean thing to me.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Impeach the MOTHER****ER! Whomever it may be, THAT is the result of the 2016 election. Nobody cares the economy is booming, unemployment for EVERYONE is at historical lows, in general the country is doing GREAT. Orangeman Bad must Impeach is the ONLY thing the Democratic Party cares about, its more important to remove Trump NOW, than try and beat him in November.

“Great” is subjective. The way one attains positive results is just as important as the results themselves. There are plenty of people that can say that the results are good, but dislike how they were gotten.

 

[Kutnupe14]

I've got to say, that Donald Trump has never said a single mean thing to me.

Oh course not, you’re in his base.

 

[Dead Duck]

ORANGE is the new color of FREEDOM!

 

[2A_Tom]

“Great” is subjective. The way one attains positive results is just as important as the results themselves. There are plenty of people that can say that the results are good, but dislike how they were gotten.

Example?

 

[IndyBeerman]

Yes. I do now. The standard needs to be objective and far above Orange man bad, or, “he’s undoing our bureaucracy!”

And the actual law broken should be on the same level as treason, bribery, real ass Nixonian obstruction of justice. Impeachment was not intended to be the equivalent of a recall. A political party should not be able to arbitrarily impeach a president like the House Democrats did.

Earlier you asked if we thought the Republicans would have tried to impeach Obama if he had done the same thing. I said, no they wouldn’t, because Obama had way more political capital than the Republicans. Even the premise of the question implies that it is political. I think if Republicans had enough political capital, the media behind them, partisan opposition deep in the government, and a rabidly partisan Speaker like Pelosi, they would have tried to concoct something to impeach Obama.

Many Republicans had similar reactions to Obama as Democrats to Trump. There was talk of impeaching Obama from the start of his administration too. But no one took it seriously because it was primarily the bat-**** crazy wing of the Republican party, and they didn’t have much power, not even after the TEA Party invasion.

I’m saying for the good of the country, presidents should be chosen by elections, and impeached only under extraordinary circumstances. If we’re going to accept the standards under which the Democrats tried to remove Trump, then we should have an impeachment trial for every president, and Obama most certainly should have been impeached.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to jamil again.

 

[Doug]

Good economy.
Low unemployment rates.
Lower taxes.
Most people are happy and successful.
Fewer people are dependent on the Government for their existence.

No wonder Trump is hated and was impeached.

 

[Alpo]

I rewatched the show last night. Great movie. I think Joaquin Phoenix' portrayal might even be better than Ledger's.

 

[Dr.Midnight]

“Great” is subjective. The way one attains positive results is just as important as the results themselves. There are plenty of people that can say that the results are good, but dislike how they were gotten.

 

[IndyBeerman]

Good economy.
Low unemployment rates.
Lower taxes.
Most people are happy and successful.
Fewer people are dependent on the Government for their existence.

No wonder Trump is hated and was impeached.

Not if you're listening to CNN, MSNBC, and all liberal MSM who have spewed nothing but hate towards Trump, along with the Democraps running for President.

They all employ the "no matter how good it is" philosophy. if you lie about it enough and loud enough, they will believe in your statement on how bad it is.
Geez, after all, they thought it was good enough for Schiff to keep telling lies and not call him out on it, It has been their standard operating procedure since January 20th, 2017.


Orange man bad, all he touches is bad, undermine and resist all that Orange man tries to accomplish. Imagine what COULD have been accomplished if there was a partisan congress.