ISIS v ISIL

[OutdoorDad]

Someone help me here.

There appear to be two clear camps.
1) those who insist on saying ISIS
2) those who insist on saying ISIL


its the same group, right? There must be some important distinction I'm missing.

 

[PistolBob]

I call them Islamic Jack Wagons....the world is confused about ISIS/L in thinnkgin they are religious, they are not. They are totally political...they need to be blown off the face of the planet...I support Trump's attitude toward these losers.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Someone help me here.

There appear to be two clear camps.
1) those who insist on saying ISIS
2) those who insist on saying ISIL


its the same group, right? There must be some important distinction I'm missing.

I would say that the Islamic State is the Islamic State wherever it may be found. I don't understand the big deal about this. It is like arguing that the US Army stationed in the US, the US Army stationed in Germany, the US Army stationed in South Korea, and the US Army stationed in Iraq are different organizations.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Someone help me here.

There appear to be two clear camps.
1) those who insist on saying ISIS
2) those who insist on saying ISIL


its the same group, right? There must be some important distinction I'm missing.

There's no distinction other than location. "S" being Syria and Iraq and "L" being Levant. The Levant is the region roughly centered around Lebanon/Turkey/Israel.

The Arabs call them Daesh, which roughly translates as "to be stepped on/to be stomped on".

 

[hopper68]

When I hear Isis, I think back to Saturday's of my youth and JoAnna Cameron. Another name/phrase from my younger days that will forever be corrupted.

[video=youtube;Fn29b0cgnaE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fn29b0cgnaE[/video]

 

[1DOWN4UP]

I may be wrong,but the Levant only recognizes Palestine BUT not Israel.Notice that who says "L"and not "S" seems to have a problem WITH Israel.

 

[avboiler11]

ISIS is from "Archer".

I use ISIL or Daesh.

 

[IndyDave1776]

When I hear Isis, I think back to Saturday's of my youth and JoAnna Cameron. Another name/phrase from my younger days that will forever be corrupted.

[video=youtube;Fn29b0cgnaE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fn29b0cgnaE[/video]

OK, you've had your fun. Now go take a cold shower and get back to the geopolitics!

 

[Jludo]

ISIS is from "Archer".

I use ISIL or Daesh.

Yea Isis is a hilarious spy agency

 

[Kirk Freeman]

I may be wrong,but the Levant only recognizes Palestine BUT not Israel.

The frogs gave us "Levant" ("the rising", where the sun comes up, east of Acre, Jerusalem, etc.). They used it to reference Syria and Lebanon, which they had, while my people had the rest of the Middle East (betcha people wish we still had it).

"Levant" is sort of like "Midwest" or "The South" or other vaguely-defined areas but references countries, not states.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

I may be wrong,but the Levant only recognizes Palestine BUT not Israel.Notice that who says "L"and not "S" seems to have a problem WITH Israel.

I suppose there may be different contexts, but it's the general region around Lebanon. I became aware of the term learning Arabic. Levantine Arabic is the dialect my wife speaks, and was VERY different then, say, north African dialect.

 

[Trigger Time]

Close our borders to Mid East travelers. If you wanna go there you get to stay there. It's time to close our borders for a while at least to ALL outsiders

 

[Jludo]

Close our borders to Mid East travelers. If you wanna go there you get to stay there. It's time to close our borders for a while at least to ALL outsiders

Meh I'm not scared of ISIS, just screen new immigrants well. It's this same over reaction that's taking away our civil liberties, costing us billions more and will make catching my flight tomorrow take 30 min longer than it should. I'm much more likely to get gunned down by a thug walking though indy than to ever be victim of a terrorist attack. I just don't buy into the fear mongering.

 

[mrjarrell]

These guys have been around a lot longer than IS. The acronym belongs to them, not the terrorists.
ISIL

 

[IndyDave1776]

Meh I'm not scared of ISIS, just screen new immigrants well. It's this same over reaction that's taking away our civil liberties, costing us billions more and will make catching my flight tomorrow take 30 min longer than it should. I'm much more likely to get gunned down by a thug walking though indy than to ever be victim of a terrorist attack. I just don't buy into the fear mongering.

Seriously? Screen the new immigrants well? You are joking, aren't you? This would be problematic even if they had any intention of making any but the most cursory screening, which so far as I have been able to tell, it stops at lip service to the concept.

There is a huge difference between being more selective about who we admit to the country and making it impossible to live within the intent of the Fourth Amendment or travel by air without being sexually molested, at least if you are from any group other than the one to which the problem persons belong.

Just because you believe, correctly or incorrectly, that a common criminal is a greater threat, does that justify choosing to have both threats instead of only one?

These guys have been around a lot longer than IS. The acronym belongs to them, not the terrorists.
ISIL

Ironic that the two groups appear to be diametrically opposed in their thinking.

 

[Trigger Time]

Meh I'm not scared of ISIS, just screen new immigrants well. It's this same over reaction that's taking away our civil liberties, costing us billions more and will make catching my flight tomorrow take 30 min longer than it should. I'm much more likely to get gunned down by a thug walking though indy than to ever be victim of a terrorist attack. I just don't buy into the fear mongering.

Yeah screen them. I'm sure they will admit if they are terrorist or not. Lol.

 

[Drail]

Our own political leaders scare me MUCH MORE than any religious nutjobs.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Close our borders to Mid East travelers. If you wanna go there you get to stay there. It's time to close our borders for a while at least to ALL outsiders

It's funny how quick "those who trade liberty for safety deserve neither" flips when it doesn't effect you personally.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Yeah screen them. I'm sure they will admit if they are terrorist or not. Lol.

Absolutely! And, to expedite the process, they will wear their ISIS flag T-shirts so we can identify them without going to the time and trouble of actually having to question them.

Our own political leaders scare me MUCH MORE than any religious nutjobs.

I am not going to argue here, but will stand by the notion that having one of the two as an immediate threat is bad enough without voluntarily allowing both threats inside our borders simultaneously.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Daesh.

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