Yeah, the single biggest Republican winner was DeSantis, and Trump is already attacking him. If we listen to Trump, we'll be doomed with candidates like Herschal and Oz.
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Is 2022 Elections going to be a Red Tidal Wave?
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Yeah, the single biggest Republican winner was DeSantis, and Trump is already attacking him. If we listen to Trump, we'll be doomed with candidates like Herschal and Oz.
Mark Kelly (D) took AZ Senate. Senate tied 49-49 right now. if Laxault (R) doesent hold on and take Nev. then we need to win in Ga. runoff just to tie the Senate at 50-50 again.
If things didn't get so mucked up in losing Pa. then at least the Republicans would have been at 50 seats right now with two chances still left to take the Senate. Now they're in danger of losing the whole damn thing. How the hell did this even happen?
Laxault (R) up by only less than 1k now (down from 9K lead) from last vote count in Nev. Senate race with 95% reporting in. Virtual tie.
Laxualt (R) 468,437 48.5%
Cortez Masto (D) 467,575 48.4 %
House Race. Democrats gaining ground. Republicans haven't moved any in the count. Been stuck on 211. Need 218 for the win. I swear this is total bull **** if Dems retain the house. I find it damn hard to believe. if they do then there will have been absolutely no gain in control of Congress in this midterm election. It should not even have been anywhere near this close. WTF.
(R ) 211
(D) 199
If things didn't get so mucked up in losing Pa. then at least the Republicans would have been at 50 seats right now with two chances still left to take the Senate. Now they're in danger of losing the whole damn thing. How the hell did this even happen?
Laxault (R) up by only less than 1k now (down from 9K lead) from last vote count in Nev. Senate race with 95% reporting in. Virtual tie.
Laxualt (R) 468,437 48.5%
Cortez Masto (D) 467,575 48.4 %
House Race. Democrats gaining ground. Republicans haven't moved any in the count. Been stuck on 211. Need 218 for the win. I swear this is total bull **** if Dems retain the house. I find it damn hard to believe. if they do then there will have been absolutely no gain in control of Congress in this midterm election. It should not even have been anywhere near this close. WTF.
(R ) 211
(D) 199
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LeftyGunner
Sharpshooter
Mark Kelly (D) took AZ Senate. Senate tied 49-49 right now. if Laxault (R) doesent hold on and take Nev. then we need to win in Ga. runoff just to tie the Senate at 50-50 again.
If things didn't get so mucked up in losing Pa. then at least the Republicans would have been at 50 seats right now with two chances still left to take the Senate. Now they're in danger of losing the whole damn thing. How the hell did this even happen?
Laxault (R) up by only less than 1k now (down from 9K lead) from last vote count in Nev. Senate race with 95% reporting in. Virtual tie.
Laxualt (R) 468,437 48.5%
Cortez Masto (D) 467,575 48.4 %
House Race. Democrats gaining ground. Republicans haven't moved any in the count. Been stuck on 211. Need 218 for the win. I swear this is total bull **** if Dems retain the house. I find it damn hard to believe. if they do then there will have been absolutely no gain in control of Congress in this midterm election. It should not even have been anywhere near this close. WTF.
(R ) 211
(D) 199
I think some of this comes from the way we get our information these days.
Whether left, right, or center, the media‘s primary motivation is not the dispassionate distribution of facts, its the expansion of their audience…and that creates some perverse incentives.
The media tends to run the stories that create the most engagement across their audience, and consumers of media tend to choose the outlets that most confirm our biases…that isn’t a strong underpinning for a fact-based view of the world around us, or others in it.
Conservative media is not a good place to find out what liberals actually think, or how liberals are likely to behave in elections. The reverse is just as true, that’s why I frequent this forum, I want to get a sense of what actual people on the opposite side of the political divide are talking about.
The number one issue on the left isn’t the economy, or hunter’s laptop, or any of the culture war distractions that occupy my daily Twitter feed.
The number one issue on the left is stopping the damage Trumpism has caused our country. The average American trusts our electoral and judicial systems less now than ever, and views their political opposition with greater hostility than anytime in my life.
For a lot of Americans Trumpism holds the lion’s share of blame for these changes, and it motivated us to vote.
Trump couldn’t build the wall he promised, but Trumpism built a much more effective wall…a sea wall that broke the red wave.
The damage that Trump caused? You mean like energy independence, record low unemployment, strong markets, low interest rates, nearly non-existent inflation, booming economy? That damage?
LeftyGunner
Sharpshooter
The damage that Trump caused? You mean like energy independence, record low unemployment, strong markets, low interest rates, nearly non-existent inflation, booming economy? That damage?
No, the “If I lose the election it will be because of fraud“ that lead to chants of “hang Mike Pence” from a crowd of Trump supporters gathered around a gallows they built on the Capitol grounds kind…that’s what I’m talking about.
Outside of his own sycophants, I don’t know anyone who actually believes Trump was the reason for any of the Fox News talking points you listed in your post.
The real Trump was so great he loses elections when he’s not even on the ticket.
Then regale us with the "real" reasons things improved so rapidly under Trump, yet went to hell in a handbasket and continue to deteriorate under Biden.
LeftyGunner
Sharpshooter
Confirmation Bias. You are willing to credit Trump for things far beyond his control.
So where does the credit go? Facts are that Trump's policies enabled these things to take place.
Nah, the know-it-all kids are insufferable already, why would I elect them to be my representatives
LeftyGunner
Sharpshooter
Your opinion is that Trump’s policies enabled these things to take place…however the facts upon which you base that opinion are not in evidence in this conversation.
The facts are much broader and much more muddled than that...much of what you would give credit to Trump for was caused by global economic conditions beyond the control of any one government, let alone any one politician.
LeftyGunner
Sharpshooter
I have avoided the question directly, because I don’t want to get into a war of semantics. I don’t have an all-encompassing definition, but it boils down to nicely to one image:
Trump’s idealized portrait screen printed across an American Flag...made in China, of course.
Trumpism is “Trump First” disguised and sold as “America First”.
That’s the farthest thing from patriotism I can imagine, and I want no part of it.
I don’t think I’m alone in this...away from here anyways, lol.
Confirmation bias goes both ways you know. Perhaps Trumpers have at least a little delusional that overstates good points and understates bad. Perhaps you have at least a delusional understanding in the opposite direction.
A president's policies often don't directly affect outcomes, but they do indirectly. The Left's reaction to covid, for example, has led to most of the shortages. It was never a wise policy to lock everything down. It was obviously, overtly, a devastating policy. And we're paying for it now. But being skeptical of that policy is not in the minds of Democrats. "Be better, America. C'mon, we can do it. wear your masks. Take your vaccines. We can end covid!"
It didn't even occur to Democrats that this was nonsense. Not only nonsense, but harmful nonsense. It caused irreparable damage to millions of families as Democrats scoffed at the skeptics of their foolish policies.They blame covid for shortages and the inflation it caused. Zero lockdowns would have led to zero shortages. And not a whole lot more impact by covid. You guys were fools. And you still don't know it.
LeftyGunner
Sharpshooter
Confirmation bias goes both ways you know. Perhaps Trumpers have at least a little delusional that overstates good points and understates bad. Perhaps you have at least a delusional understanding in the opposite direction.
A president's policies often don't directly affect outcomes, but they do indirectly. The Left's reaction to covid, for example, has led to most of the shortages. It was never a wise policy to lock everything down. It was obviously, overtly, a devastating policy. And we're paying for it now. But being skeptical of that policy is not in the minds of Democrats. "Be better, America. C'mon, we can do it. wear your masks. Take your vaccines. We can end covid!"
They blame covid for shortages and the inflation it caused. Zero lockdowns would have led to zero shortages. And not a whole lot more impact by covid. You guys were fools. And you still don't know it.
I agree with you on every point here.
America wasn’t the only place to install these policies, though, the rest of the world shut down too.
Although I imagine things might not have been as bad with better domestic leadership, we would not have been immune to these economic woes regardless of the action we took ourselves…these are global economic consequences stemming from half a century of international monetary gamesmanship, and there are important lessons to be learned here about national self-reliance in an increasingly internationally dependent world.
Good post. I like your perspective.
Presidents get credit when the things that are considered staples for a good, healthy country are thriving, and get the blame when it goes bad. That’s how it works with anyone in power. Not just with presidents. To say he had nothing to do with the many aspects of American lives that drastically improved quickly under his term, is akin to a child plugging his ears, closing his eyes and screaming because they don’t want to accept something. Is he a dirt bag human being? Sure! Should he run again? I don’t think so. Was he one hell of an effective president? Absolutely. The lefts hatred for him doesn’t take his effectiveness as a president away.
I don't want a game of semantics either. Like I said before. It's a sanity check. I want to know if I should take you seariously.
There is some truth in your description, but it's not a full truth. Behind Trump's bluster was actual policy, but you may be so blinded by your own perspective and focus on the person-hood of Trump, you miss that there are actually some good points to his presidency. What you described are some of the things I don't like about Trump either, except you didn't mention that he ****ed a porn star while his wife was pregnant with his kid. Trump's personal character is not worthy of admiration by honest observers. There's no defense of it. There are only excuses.
But most of his policies were actually pretty good, whether accidental or intentional. And as a whole, they did tend to create a an environment suitible for the markets to work and make people more prosperous. If you could separate the personality from the policies you might find things you think are good. But if you're the sort of "Lefty" that's not actually liberal, you probably won't think that even prosperity is good. If you're sane, you should be able to pick out some worthwhile policies.
The rest of the world is also progressive, in some ways more than the US. At least we don't have codified censorship (we just have progressive administrations using big tech as a proxy). But anyway, of course the world went along with top-down information control, and lockdowns. That was a power grab. Your president just renewed the emergency declaration. There's no emergency. But it gives him power to do stuff. And you're okay with that. It's a blindspot progressives have, just like Trumpers have a blindspot to the legitimate criticisms of Trump.
Progressives are incapable of thinking in terms of national self-reliance. You will not find a progressive Democrat speaking in front of congress warning about our need to become MORE self-reliant. You don't hear the chamber-o-commerce republicans, like Mitch McConnell, talking about that either, except when pandering to voters. Those are talking points you hear from "Trumpism".
Trumpism is indeed primarily America first. You've heard it from the premiere INGO Trumper himself say it. He's not lying about that. And that's very patriotic. Of course, the cult of Trumpism, is real too. And that is indeed Trump-first, which is problematic. Unfortunately it may be the only way we get to some version of America-first. I want America first. It's what every countryman should want. Brits should be GB first. Russia should be Russia-first. And so on.
