Inner Circle and Looter Mentality

[indytechnerd]

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Then goes on to say, "I didn't have the money for the rifle, so I just put it on my credit card, we won't be making credit card payments when the SHTF anyway"
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Speaking to this specific part of the post...

On Friday night, Wife Swap on ABC had a 'survivalist' family who were 100% sure of TEOTWAWKI on 12/21/2012. They babbled a bit about their gear, but then launched into a listing of all the items they'd bought on no interest/no payment credit because 'when 2012 comes, there won't be any banks to pay it back'.

 

[patton487]

Speaking to this specific part of the post...

On Friday night, Wife Swap on ABC had a 'survivalist' family who were 100% sure of TEOTWAWKI on 12/21/2012. They babbled a bit about their gear, but then launched into a listing of all the items they'd bought on no interest/no payment credit because 'when 2012 comes, there won't be any banks to pay it back'.

I saw that same show. Had to be set up and fake. The Dad won't let his kids have friends over because he is worried about anyone finding out about his "preps"

But he will have camera crews come in and show it all on national television?

Yeah right, that show was bull and a major FAIL

 

[Lex Concord]

Speaking to this specific part of the post...

On Friday night, Wife Swap on ABC had a 'survivalist' family who were 100% sure of TEOTWAWKI on 12/21/2012. They babbled a bit about their gear, but then launched into a listing of all the items they'd bought on no interest/no payment credit because 'when 2012 comes, there won't be any banks to pay it back'.

That's funny....they actually think the banks will last that long

Seriously, though....nah...I got nothin'

 

[shibumiseeker]

Yeah right, that show was bull and a major FAIL

As is about 99% of television which is why I choose to waste some of my time here with you lot than TV.

 

[Zoub]

That being said. This "friend" I am talking about I haven't known for very long, he is former military, very much into guns

He is using the tools he was trained to use, or at least claims he was trained to use. For him a gun is a hammer and he fixes all problems with that tool. It is the only tool he owns and knows how to use. It has to fix his problems. He is a specialist.

"The guy with the gun makes the rules." A phrase these folks often say. Tyrants love gun control they have the guns.

The more isolated you are the less moral challenges you will face in any SHTF scenario but no matter where you are or where you go, you will be faced with some choices.

 

[shibumiseeker]

The more isolated you are the less moral challenges you will face in any SHTF scenario but no matter where you are or where you go, you will be faced with some choices.

Sounds like life to me.

 

[jeremy]

He is using the tools he was trained to use, or at least claims he was trained to use. For him a gun is a hammer and he fixes all problems with that tool. It is the only tool he owns and knows how to use. It has to fix his problems. He is a specialist.

"The guy with the gun makes the rules." A phrase these folks often say. Tyrants love gun control they have the guns.

The more isolated you are the less moral challenges you will face in any SHTF scenario but no matter where you are or where you go, you will be faced with some choices.

This guy is a dweeb...
As far as the tool he was trained to use. I doubt it. You would probably find out if this guy even was in the Military he was some desk jockey commando that has never been outside of CONUS.
"The guy with the gun makes the rules" which movie did you hear that from I have never heard a Joe say that...

As far as the Tyrant remark...
Please...
There are far more wannabe commandos that have never served that display megalomania...

 

[Zoub]

This guy is a dweeb...
As far as the tool he was trained to use. I doubt it. You would probably find out if this guy even was in the Military he was some desk jockey commando that has never been outside of CONUS.
"The guy with the gun makes the rules" which movie did you hear that from I have never heard a Joe say that...

As far as the Tyrant remark...
Please...
There are far more wannabe commandos that have never served that display megalomania...

I have heard guys who train on an International level say it and often. They are all decorated verterans,. Some are names people here would know and admire. They are considered good guys, members of survival groups and they have said it. They are specialists and when things get heated they show it.

Semantics to look at words and not mentality. This guy thinks a gun and murder solve his problems. We don't know him and can't judge him. Only the Op can.

Those are words my friends, family or I never use. just verbalizing those sentiments to another person make him a liablity. No matter if he is a Sh** talking p***y*, coward or a Sociopath. The tyrant remark has nothing to do with him being a soldier, it has to do with using a gun to rule others.

For the record never never eat human brains.

 

[HICKMAN]

Sound like someone my wife or son would be shooting in the back of the head while he was pointing his gun at me. Looting has it's risks...

and you get another rifle

 

[infidel]

It's interesting that there are always 2 extremes in these conversations.

1. Have what you need beforehand.
2. Take what you need because you didn't have enough of what you needed.

I never see anybody say," After I run out of preps I will earn food or supplies by working for or with others that do".

I was taught to earn what I take. That means that if/when I would run out of preps I wouldn't wake up in the morning and say," Oh **** I don't have any food, better get to taking".

Some people just see the two extremes though. Might be wise for them to think of how they can provide for others later on so that they might be rewarded for it.

 

[Yeah]

I saw that same show. Had to be set up and fake.

When I lived in NOLA a guy who I went shrimping with a lot was on Wife Swap. Pookie Dufrene. It is far from 'reality'.

 

[ThrottleJockey]

Oh no! A PS3 and a new $60 game every week is much more important than watching your kids starve to death. They made their beds, they'll lie in them.

Kut

LOL, isn't it funny to watch them though

There are already people who are stealing and killing for food and essentials. We can only imagine how many people like this there will be if the SHTF. This is why NOBODY will know about my food storage except for a select few. If a guy like this does show up at my door, well, for his sake, I hope he doesn't.

+1000 This is why I have the mentality of shooting all who unexpectedly approach my location. I was recently flamed for it in another thread, but I stand by my words.

This guy does not have together financially either he is not ready for life now let alone during a catastrophie

Sure he is, max it out before you apply for the credit card bailout......makes perfect fiscal sense to me!

Seriously though, if I scrrewed up that bad and couldn't forage, hunt, grow or trade food to get by......sure, likewise if it got to the point of living like wild animals....then I would loot too.

 

[Andyland]

when the welfare checks stop... and the urban animals cant buy alcohol and tobacco...then you will see what the mongol hoards were like. You will be visited by all manner of of ex friends, relatives, coworkers who would screw you in a second, but want to share in your preparation. Every major city has 4 days worth of food. The hard part will be telling them to move on. There are 300 million people in this country and 1% cant last more than 2 weeks on their own. Compete with 297 million people for what is already yours. History will repeat itself, but with the higher population numbers, the body count will be impressive. Don't worry about the "friend" without morals, worry about anyone who knows you have anything worth stealing. Surround yourself with honorable men. Morality is the canonization of the rules of civilization. Without civilization we are animals.

 

[theweakerbrother]

when the welfare checks stop... and the urban animals cant buy alcohol and tobacco...then you will see what the mongol hoards were like. You will be visited by all manner of of ex friends, relatives, coworkers who would screw you in a second, but want to share in your preparation. Every major city has 4 days worth of food. The hard part will be telling them to move on. There are 300 million people in this country and 1% cant last more than 2 weeks on their own. Compete with 297 million people for what is already yours. History will repeat itself, but with the higher population numbers, the body count will be impressive. Don't worry about the "friend" without morals, worry about anyone who knows you have anything worth stealing. Surround yourself with honorable men. Morality is the canonization of the rules of civilization. Without civilization we are animals.

Excellent early post... well done and repped.

 

[Jack Ryan]

when the welfare checks stop... and the urban animals cant buy alcohol and tobacco...then you will see what the mongol hoards were like. You will be visited by all manner of of ex friends, relatives, coworkers who would screw you in a second, but want to share in your preparation. Every major city has 4 days worth of food. The hard part will be telling them to move on. There are 300 million people in this country and 1% cant last more than 2 weeks on their own. Compete with 297 million people for what is already yours. History will repeat itself, but with the higher population numbers, the body count will be impressive. Don't worry about the "friend" without morals, worry about anyone who knows you have anything worth stealing. Surround yourself with honorable men. Morality is the canonization of the rules of civilization. Without civilization we are animals.

"Convince" them to move on? Who says I'll "let" them move on if I get the drop on them first? Why? Just to let them slink back soon as it's dark? I don't think so.

This is poor ground around here. Takes a lot of fertilizer if you want a decent crop.

 

[bwframe]

...This is why I have the mentality of shooting all who unexpectedly approach my location. I was recently flamed for it in another thread, but I stand by my words.

"Convince" them to move on? Who says I'll "let" them move on if I get the drop on them first? Why? Just to let them slink back soon as it's dark? I don't think so.

Food for thought gents;
What if the man you take out happens to be my brother, running point for the other 5 of us? Six well armed and trained individuals with no ill content towards anyone, just trying to get to our BOL.

 

[E5RANGER375]

It's interesting that there are always 2 extremes in these conversations.

1. Have what you need beforehand.
2. Take what you need because you didn't have enough of what you needed.

I never see anybody say," After I run out of preps I will earn food or supplies by working for or with others that do".

I was taught to earn what I take. That means that if/when I would run out of preps I wouldn't wake up in the morning and say," Oh **** I don't have any food, better get to taking".

Some people just see the two extremes though. Might be wise for them to think of how they can provide for others later on so that they might be rewarded for it.

good point and i agree and fully support a barter system and would gladly work for what i needed.
but since we are talking about the extreme, then thats why we comment on extreme actions.
thats why re-establishing rule of law will be so important. communities will bond together and form their own, police force so to speak. it will be like the American frontier. some times it might get crazy though. especialy it will be crazy during the gap where the un-prepared realize, help isnt coming and i dont have any food or water, so people will act like animals. thats the time you wanna have a good location where you can defend, and get with others with the same mindset. if i have to pay a friend with food (cause they werent prepared) to help me with security then i will gladly do it. the more guns the better, in the first couple weeks. once the unprepared and criminals start dying off then it will get better, (AND THEY WILL die off, and theres no way you can save everyone and save yourself and family too)

 

[doug1980]

In my opinion looting is totally different than doing what it takes to survive. I've seen looting first hand and it was low life deadbeats taking advantage of a terrible stuation to steal material things, tv's, radios etc. If TSHTF and you ran out of food anyone and everyone would raid the Walmarts, Kmarts etc to get food. Wouldn't that be considered stealing and against one's morals?

 

[runandgun]

good point and i agree and fully support a barter system and would gladly work for what i needed.
but since we are talking about the extreme, then thats why we comment on extreme actions.
thats why re-establishing rule of law will be so important. communities will bond together and form their own, police force so to speak. it will be like the American frontier. some times it might get crazy though. especialy it will be crazy during the gap where the un-prepared realize, help isnt coming and i dont have any food or water, so people will act like animals. thats the time you wanna have a good location where you can defend, and get with others with the same mindset. if i have to pay a friend with food (cause they werent prepared) to help me with security then i will gladly do it. the more guns the better, in the first couple weeks. once the unprepared and criminals start dying off then it will get better, (AND THEY WILL die off, and theres no way you can save everyone and save yourself and family too)

I haven't been here long, but I agree with this guy. People like the OP met will get theirs in the beginning. Then the decent people who survive will reestablish commerce, via bartering or buying with gold/silver. Or maybe goods or services others need. JMHO

 

[Blackhawk2001]

Anyone interested in a thoughtful discussion of the philosophy involved between individualism and cooperation in times of trial might try reading a blog entry called " Tribes" on "EjectEjectEject". Bill Whittle has a very well-reasoned article. John Ringo also discusses cooperation in a SHTF situation in his fictional: "The Last Centurion".

I think most of us in the Midwest are vulnerable to our homesteads being overrun by the hordes of starving "grasshoppers", either because our homes are indefensible (my case) or because we are too few (as a family) to provide adequate defense against the kinds of numbers we would be forced to defend against. In a EOTWAWKI situation, those who wish to survive and prosper had better plan to form mutually-supporting communities.