INGO member in handcuffs

[jeremy]

^^^

You have clearly forgotten about the hordes of genetically engineered super-soldiers that the .gov has hidden underground.

I can name several Countries the Horde should be sent to...

 

[Indy317]

Cash settlements eh? Ya hear that guys??

That case, which is now over a year old I believe, has very little to do with Indiana law. That was based on a case in NM, where OC is legal. State law is completely silent on OCing a handgun in that state, which is completely different than what Indiana law states.

 

[bigus_D]

That case, which is now over a year old I believe, has very little to do with Indiana law. That was based on a case in NM, where OC is legal. State law is completely silent on OCing a handgun in that state, which is completely different than what Indiana law states.

UNTIL.... UNTIL.... the LTCH is verified. Then the cases are VERY similar again.

 

[henktermaat]

That was based on a case in NM, where OC is legal. State law is completely silent on OCing a handgun in that state, which is completely different than what Indiana law states.

State law is silent on OCing in this state as well.

 

[bigus_D]

State law is silent on OCing in this state as well.

This isn't true.

Indiana state law is loud and clear on ANY (and all) carry: OC, CC, ABC, ETC.

 

[henktermaat]

This isn't true.

Indiana state law is loud and clear on ANY (and all) carry: OC, CC, ABC, ETC.

Nowhere does it mention OC specifically.

 

[Roadie]

So how come are we the only ones (the ones caught between the two sides) that have to play by the rules?!


(snipped)

I don't agree with our rights being limited either. HOWEVER, I refuse to play the "our rights are limited so yours should be too" game.

I see it like the case a few years ago in Indy where a short sighted, ill informed judge, decided that a couple who recently divorced, should have their kids taken away because they were Pagans. It was Christians who came to their defense. Why? Because those Christians realized if religion could be used against someone in parenting, then it could happen to Christians next.

If we, the gun community, support our LEOs, maybe we can get their support in return.

 

[Mr. Habib]

It doesn't mention OC specifically. The difference is that in NM and some of the other states mentioned, no license or permit is required for OC, only for CC. Therefore, the LEO had no RAS or PC to question or detain anyone merely because they were openly carrying a handgun. In Indiana, however, it is a crime to carry unless one is a member of an exempted class, so an LEO would have PC to detain and question until he/she knew that the OCer was legal.

 

[E5RANGER375]

If we, the gun community, support our LEOs, maybe we can get their support in return.

as soon as they all start defending the constitution then I will.

 

[machete]

That case, which is now over a year old I believe, has very little to do with Indiana law. That was based on a case in NM, where OC is legal. State law is completely silent on OCing a handgun in that state, which is completely different than what Indiana law states.

Americans dont gotta go around proving that theyre legal. In this country someone first has to do something wrong before anyone asks them if theyre free to do it.

No probable cause or reasonable suspicion to stop any OC-er just for OC-ing.

 

[machete]

It doesn't mention OC specifically. The difference is that in NM and some of the other states mentioned, no license or permit is required for OC, only for CC. Therefore, the LEO had no RAS or PC to question or detain anyone merely because they were openly carrying a handgun. In Indiana, however, it is a crime to carry unless one is a member of an exempted class, so an LEO would have PC to detain and question until he/she knew that the OCer was legal.

That's not correct because it turns lawful OC into a "papers, please" activity. That wasnt the idea behind LTCH.

If they want to keep stating the law wrongly, we can just go ahead and have a nice loaded longarm rally outside the Final Four, Super Bowl, Big Ten Tourney etc... We'll be real peacable, but we also wont show a single piece of ID or respond to any of their questions. Some dudes OC Glock is a lot less likely to scare anyone than a bunch of AK-47s on South St. before the Super Bowl.

I suggest the cops admit they got the law wrong and tell us that theyv'e changed their policy,,,

 

[Roadie]

as soon as they all start defending the constitution then I will.

I guess I am more of a "do unto others FIRST" kinda guy.

Besides, being nice to people that aren't nice to you, usually pisses them off

 

[sj kahr k40]

If we, the gun community, support our LEOs, maybe we can get their support in return.

I support LEO's right up to where they start breaking laws, then they become criminals and I don't support criminals.

Officer Highwhatever his name is, is a criminal

 

[bigus_D]

That's not correct because it turns lawful OC into a "papers, please" activity. That wasnt the idea behind LTCH.

Indiana courts have ruled that OC is cause for an officer to ask for your LTCH. I'm sure somebody can provide that ruling.

 

[ATM]

That's not correct because it turns lawful OC into a "papers, please" activity. That wasnt the idea behind LTCH.

Oh, it is correct.
Indiana legislators enacted code which made basically any handgun carry outside of your own property illegal unless you buy their "papers".

The idea behind it is also absolutely irrelevant at this point. The code remains.

NM code only made it illegal to conceal a handgun without buying their papers. Thus, NM citizens are less infringed than Hoosiers.

Only legislators (not cops) can fix this particular issue. Nobody else can change IC.

 

[IndyMonkey]

I was singled out and had my weapon taken from me. I would of been the only one if atfconsumer would of been more compliant.
I also have a form signed by chief of police of Indianapolis saying it is a rifle.

There is no permit required to do what I did.

 

[machete]

Oh, it is correct.
Indiana legislators enacted code which made basically any handgun carry outside of your own property illegal unless you buy their "papers".

The idea behind it is also absolutely irrelevant at this point. The code remains.

But if a simple reading of the law doesnt end up where the legislature intended the courts have to give the law its most probable interpretation... The courts cant interpret the law so that the ruling is absurd...

Was the intent of the legislature in spite of the simple reading of the law to turn Indiana into a papers, please!! state for OC-ers???

I DONT THINK SO!!!

 

[MTC]

Oh, it is correct.
Indiana legislators enacted code which made basically any handgun carry outside of your own property illegal unless you buy their "papers".

The idea behind it is also absolutely irrelevant at this point. The code remains.

NM code only made it illegal to conceal a handgun without buying their papers. Thus, NM citizens are less infringed than Hoosiers.

Only legislators (not cops) can fix this particular issue. Nobody else can change IC.

And bingo was his name-o.

 

[machete]

I was singled out and had my weapon taken from me. I would of been the only one if atfconsumer would of been more compliant.
I also have a form signed by chief of police of Indianapolis saying it is a rifle.

There is no permit required to do what I did.

YOU ROCK!!!

 

[ATM]

But if a simple reading of the law doesnt end up where the legislature intended the courts have to give the law its most probable interpretation... The courts cant interpret the law so that the ruling is absurd...

Was the intent of the legislature in spite of the simple reading of the law to turn Indiana into a papers, please!! state for OC-ers???

I DONT THINK SO!!!

You can ask them their intent if they are still alive. Won't matter, they can't change it now without getting elected back to that post. Fact remains, they made it a papers please state for all handgun carriers and nobody has cared to change that fact since.
Courts would be overstepping their bounds to legislate from the bench.
Get the stupid law changed through the proper channels but don't expect your thoughts (or mine) on original intent to be much of a factor on enforcement in the meantime.