In France They Punch White Girls

[JBusch8899]

Well, the poster known as Redemption, has gotten his good laughs at the pot of he just stirred, as many have taken the bait.

 

[NordicHeathenVinlander]

NHV, I don't feel like debating, nor humoring Redemption with a response, so I'll ask you just one question about your post...I know, I'm singling out just ONE sentence in a long post, but for argument's sake, I think it can be warranted.




If the Nazis didn't have mass genocide in mind, why were Jews in concentration camps to begin with? It's not like they weren't trying to high tail their asses out of there as quick as they could...If they were starving because there was a shortage of resources(food), why wouldn't the Nazis let them just be on their way? Hungry and trying to escape, they rounded them up like cattle and left them to starve to death.

No debate needed brother. Just simple explaination which is usually left out.

In the Civil war, both sides, but especially the North had indeed concentration camps, for POWs and sympathizers.

In WWII, Japanese Americans and some German Americans were placed in "concentration" camps

Prior to the WWII, Jews did infact declare war on Germany, but economically. google "Judea declares war on Germany."

It was a NY headline, I believe in 1933, it was indeed no different than the liberal/socialist areas in the US, declaring a boycott of Arizona.

If you google or click the video link of "Judea declares war on Germany."

You can watch a video which will deal with Science, concerning the holocaust.

My favorite part was when they proved that to kill 1500 people a day, was impossible; When they lit 3 phone books on fire, poured gas all over and after 20 minutes only afew pages from the top burned.

They did alot, and it is an impressive video.

In history, enemies of the state were often times, the last to recieve provisions, and indeed many died. But 6million is far from a fair number, which all evidence suggest is more likely close to only 40,000, give or take.

Not to suggest that number isnt significant, but it's a far cry from 6 million, a number which originally was 4m, and before that was 1.4million.


My question is, why is this holocaust promoted, yet why does no one seem to know of what the communist/marxist bolsheviks did to 21-66 million, Russian, Christian traditionalist?

 

[Redemption]

NHV, I don't feel like debating, nor humoring Redemption with a response, so I'll ask you just one question about your post...I know, I'm singling out just ONE sentence in a long post, but for argument's sake, I think it can be warranted.




If the Nazis didn't have mass genocide in mind, why were Jews in concentration camps to begin with? It's not like they weren't trying to high tail their asses out of there as quick as they could...If they were starving because there was a shortage of resources(food), why wouldn't the Nazis let them just be on their way? Hungry and trying to escape, they rounded them up like cattle and left them to starve to death.

Ummmm...actually, thousands fled West with the SS rather than be "liberated" by the Red Army saviors. Eli Wiesel, who later changed his tune admitted as much.

 

[NordicHeathenVinlander]

Those who claim Nazi Germany was out to kill all Jews and rule non-Whites.



Can you explain why Nazi Germany employeed Jews into they're Army, at various ranks to include high ranking positions.


Allowed Arabic Muslims to be apart of the famed SS units.

 

[techres]

Jews declared war on Germany? Oh, and it's not 6 mil, more like 40k, or maybe 4 or maybe 1.4... And anyways, everybody does it, really... I mean we kinda did it once...

Bazooka, you see that you are wrestling with tar right? You see the game - confuse until only one thing is clear?

But look at line one and see if it even passes the preposterous check.

 

[NordicHeathenVinlander]

Jews declared war on Germany? Oh, and it's not 6 mil, more like 40k, or maybe 4 or maybe 1.4... And anyways, everybody does it, really... I mean we kinda did it once...

Bazooka, you see that you are wrestling with tar right? You see the game - confuse until only one thing is clear?

But look at line one and see if it even passes the preposterous check.

Dont blame me, Techres... I didnt write the books, and play it up.

Plaque on display at the Auschwitz camp as it appeared until 1989 (note the "4 million" victims).

The plaque currently on display at Auschwitz since 2002 (note reduction in number of victims to 1.5 million)―the sudden 2½ million reduction never reported in the media of the Western Nations.




The 1934 World Almanac notes the following pre-WWII populations of Christians and Jews

In 1948, after WWII, the 1949 World Almanac notes the following populations:​

Again, Techres. There are inconsistancies, of which deserve polite, and civil conversation, and not abunch hype and jargon thrown around based on emotions.

 

[groovatron]

I've been to Dachau. I've seen the gas chambers and Krematorium. Untill some of you idiots out there can start backing up some of these "hoax" claims with some actual facts, I will trust what my own eyes have seen.

I find it sickening that elitest racists can run around claiming that everyone is against THEM.......THEY are the ones being discriminated against........and then go on to deny some of the most horrific travesties ever bestowed upon men of a different race or religion. You're acting like a bunch of spoiled, priveleged, 13yr old girls.........and hypocritical as all get out. Get over your bad selves and open your eyes. Stop feeling sorry for your imaginary problems you masochistic scum

Phew......alright.....I hope that's enough for the Mods to put this thread to bed and stop the bleeding.

 

[JBusch8899]

6 Million? 4 Million? 1 Million? 40,000?

In the end, is it the final tally that really matters? So what does matter?

That the Nazi government instituted death, as well as cruel and inhumane measures against a large, indeterminate number of non combatants.

 

[Benny]

In the Civil war, both sides, but especially the North had indeed concentration camps, for POWs and sympathizers.

In WWII, Japanese Americans and some German Americans were placed in "concentration" camps

Prior to the WWII, Jews did infact declare war on Germany, but economically. google "Judea declares war on Germany."

"Economical" war is grounds for killing? Would it be OK for us to open fire on people boycotting causes we don't believe in?

You can watch a video which will deal with Science, concerning the holocaust.

I will watch it tomorrow, I'm definitely curious.

My favorite part was when they proved that to kill 1500 people a day, was impossible; When they lit 3 phone books on fire, poured gas all over and after 20 minutes only afew pages from the top burned.

That's just one single means of killing...But let's be real here, when dealing with gasoline and fire, it's a bit hard to compare a person with a phone book...Are you saying if I doused you in gas and lit you on fire, you wouldn't die? I'll even give you a layer of phone book pages over the top of you.

That's not the scientific fact I'm looking for.

In history, enemies of the state were often times, the last to recieve provisions, and indeed many died. But 6million is far from a fair number, which all evidence suggest is more likely close to only 40,000, give or take.

Not to suggest that number isnt significant, but it's a far cry from 6 million, a number which originally was 4m, and before that was 1.4million.

I can see 6 million being an embellishment, but 40,000 is ridiculous.

My question is, why is this holocaust promoted, yet why does no one seem to know of what the communist/marxist bolsheviks did to 21-66 million, Russian, Christian traditionalist?

Agreed.

Ummmm...actually, thousands fled West with the SS rather than be "liberated" by the Red Army saviors. Eli Wiesel, who later changed his tune admitted as much.

Gee, a few thousand were able to flee before being caught...Damn those innocent women and children that were killed for not having the means to leave immediately.

(S***, I actually just humored you with a response, it won't happen again, I promise)

Bazooka, you see that you are wrestling with tar right? You see the game - confuse until only one thing is clear?

But look at line one and see if it even passes the preposterous check.

This post is about as clear as tar...Please elaborate on the bolded parts.

6 Million? 4 Million? 1 Million? 40,000?

In the end, is it the final tally that really matters? So what does matter?

That the Nazi government instituted death, as well as cruel and inhumane measures against a large, indeterminate number of non combatants.

This.

 

[techres]

This post is about as clear as tar...Please elaborate on the bolded parts.

The way the game of denial works is to tie you up in a barrage of anecdotes that beat you down. They say, "6, 3, 2, .4, 3" and then in the end make you happy when they offer: "well I guess no number is final".

That breaks you free of fact one: we do have a number.

Then comes the next stage of the denial playbook: if we do not have a number, then what other "fact" is also wrong (see how they move from having you confused to having you agreeing to their no number "fact"). So now go after some other significant fact - in this thread it was gas chambers. Now they will hit you with a 1000 reasons those buildings were anything other than chambers (showers, storage facilities, whatever) and their proof will come in the pseudoscience of sizes of pipe fittings, or the supposed power of poison, etc. In the end they will again offer, "well we just don't know but we really doubt it". And you will be likely to say, ok.

Then the system repeats itself. Heck, by the end of it there were no jews before the war and the Nazi's were just overzealous german scouts. This is the same system most cults use to pass on their bizarre "truth" that is hidden by the entire world.

It is a game. And one that I have no interest in playing any part in. So I will not be in this thread any more. Good luck, have fun, and remember that we are talking about real dead people here not some academic brain challenge.

Good night Bazooka.

P.S. Please go and find any of your older relatives who fought in WWII, and ask them about the Nazis and what they were. They might have some real, non-romanticized, info for you that would help you understand anyone who wants to make Nazi's look better.

 

[SavageEagle]

Wow. I bow out of this thread. When people start claiming the Holocaust was BS and that gas chambers didn't exist in reality... Yea. Ok. No sense arguing with people like that.

Oh, and I suppose that the Russians around the same time didn't starve their own people either? They didn't really cause the second largest genocide in history second only to China's Mao....

Oh, and I guess we white people didn't really commit genocide against the Native Americans either?

what kind of... nvm.

 

[Benny]

The way the game of denial works is to tie you up in a barrage of anecdotes that beat you down. They say, "6, 3, 2, .4, 3" and then in the end make you happy when they offer: "well I guess no number is final".

That breaks you free of fact one: we do have a number.

Then comes the next stage of the denial playbook: if we do not have a number, then what other "fact" is also wrong (see how they move from having you confused to having you agreeing to their no number "fact"). So now go after some other significant fact - in this thread it was gas chambers. Now they will hit you with a 1000 reasons those buildings were anything other than chambers (showers, storage facilities, whatever) and their proof will come in the pseudoscience of sizes of pipe fittings, or the supposed power of poison, etc. In the end they will again offer, "well we just don't know but we really doubt it". And you will be likely to say, ok.

Then the system repeats itself. Heck, by the end of it there were no jews before the war and the Nazi's were just overzealous german scouts. This is the same system most cults use to pass on their bizarre "truth" that is hidden by the entire world.

It is a game. And one that I have no interest in playing any part in. So I will not be in this thread any more. Good luck, have fun, and remember that we are talking about real dead people here not some academic brain challenge.

Good night Bazooka.

P.S. Please go and find any of your older relatives who fought in WWII, and ask them about the Nazis and what they were. They might have some real, non-romanticized, info for you that would help you understand anyone who wants to make Nazi's look better.

I know text can be "lost in translation," but it sure as heck seems like you are talking to me in a condescending manner and I'm not sure why...Let me elaborate on my assumptions(let it be clear that they are indeed, assumptions):

1. You think I'm too naive or stupid to understand the agenda of those who try to sugar coat the holocaust and feel the need to spell it out for me.

2. You feel my "agenda" isn't all that different than the obvious ones in this thread and feel that condescension is necessary to answer by question(s).
(I really, really hope this isn't the case.)

I know you said you are done with this thread, but I wouldn't feel like you are being a hypocrite by responding to this one last post...Feel free to shoot me a PM if you don't feel comfortable going against your word and responding to another post in this thread...You are a respected member of the INGO community and I would like your input, otherwise I wouldn't give a rat's ass.

 

[Joe Williams]

And those who dispute the claims are liars?
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Absolutely and utterly.

 

[techres]

I know text can be "lost in translation," but it sure as heck seems like you are talking to me in a condescending manner and I'm not sure why...Let me elaborate on my assumptions(let it be clear that they are indeed, assumptions):

1. You think I'm too naive or stupid to understand the agenda of those who try to sugar coat the holocaust and feel the need to spell it out for me.

2. You feel my "agenda" isn't all that different than the obvious ones in this thread and feel that condescension is necessary to answer by question(s).
(I really, really hope this isn't the case.)

I know you said you are done with this thread, but I wouldn't feel like you are being a hypocrite by responding to this one last post...Feel free to shoot me a PM if you don't feel comfortable going against your word and responding to another post in this thread...You are a respected member of the INGO community and I would like your input, otherwise I wouldn't give a rat's ass.

Not intended as condescending at all.

1. Nope, was trying to be explicit and detailed. That can come off as thinking you are dumb, but that was not the intent. Frankly, I wrote that explanation partly for you and partly for anyone who might just be reading.

2. I have no reason to think your agenda is the same as the two in question here. Frankly, I read you as someone that respects everyone and values polite discourse. My lack of it here may be frustrating you but that is not my desire, nor my intent.

Part of the simplification of language is me trying to keep from saying anything that would get me in trouble or from being misunderstood. Of course, that lead you to misunderstand - so mission not accomplished.

Bazooka, holocaust deniers disrespect the dead in a way that I have a hard time being civil about. Put yourself in my shoes, know children of the murdered and then try to remain civil when some guy comes along and says that no murder took place.

This has nothing to do with you Bazooka.

Techres

 

[NordicHeathenVinlander]

Absolutely and utterly.

And when Science can effectively dispute claims?



And let me guess, you believe everything your told, right?
So when you hear Palestinians decrying about treatment we might associate with Nazi Germany, you believe that, too?

Or do you have some kind of agenda.

Let me remind you, that Isreal has many claims of inhumanity toward those of Arabic/Muslim descent, Everything from the King David hotel bombing by the Isreali terrorist, to even the ripping out of newborn babies from mothers.

Do you believe those, or do you dispute those claims?

Do you blindly support one agenda for another, BROTHER?

I dont.

 

[Benny]

Not intended as condescending at all.

1. Nope, was trying to be explicit and detailed. That can come off as thinking you are dumb, but that was not the intent. Frankly, I wrote that explanation partly for you and partly for anyone who might just be reading.

2. I have no reason to think your agenda is the same as the two in question here. Frankly, I read you as someone that respects everyone and values polite discourse. My lack of it here may be frustrating you but that is not my desire, nor my intent.

Part of the simplification of language is me trying to keep from saying anything that would get me in trouble or from being misunderstood. Of course, that lead you to misunderstand - so mission not accomplished.

Bazooka, holocaust deniers disrespect the dead in a way that I have a hard time being civil about. Put yourself in my shoes, know children of the murdered and then try to remain civil when some guy comes along and says that no murder took place.

This has nothing to do with you Bazooka.

Techres

First of all, thank you for clarifying...

#1 makes complete sense and #2 is dead on.

All of the bolded part is completely understandable; if I were in your shoes, I'd say/do the same thing...You are a former mod, so you know that keeping the integrity of this site is #1 and letting your emotions getting the best of you isn't an option.

 

[shooter521]

you know that keeping the integrity of this site is #1 and letting your emotions getting the best of you isn't an option.

So you understand, then, why I'm closing this thread.