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[steveh_131]

Oh, I understand, I read the book where time travel allowed George Washington to be assassinated. I understand your point of view.

However, I am talking about the Constitution and the Rule of Law, not the Rule of Man.

Is that in one of those novels you're talking about? Not sure.

You clearly can't see the middle ground that exists between the nanny state that you love and the anarchy that so terrifies you. You think you're in that middle ground, but you're actually smack dab in the nanny state that is only going to keep growing (which I suspect you will enjoy, until it engulfs your gun rights).

The government should be in the business of managing damage and restitution. Not managing risk. It has never and will never be able to manage risk in a way that is effective or conducive to freedom.

 

[hornadylnl]

Is that in one of those novels you're talking about? Not sure.

You clearly can't see the middle ground that exists between the nanny state that you love and the anarchy that so terrifies you. You think you're in that middle ground, but you're actually smack dab in the nanny state that is only going to keep growing (which I suspect you will enjoy, until it engulfs your gun rights).

The government should be in the business of managing damage and restitution. Not managing risk. It has never and will never be able to manage risk in a way that is effective or conducive to freedom.

I think fire marshals should have to inspect all ammo caches to see if they present a fire/explosion hazard to their neighbors.

 

[steveh_131]

I think fire marshals should have to inspect all ammo caches to see if they present a fire/explosion hazard to their neighbors.

As long as it is an ordinance. Fining people for ordinance violation is not tyranny.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

I think fire marshals should have to inspect all ammo caches to see if they present a fire/explosion hazard to their neighbors.

Illegal under the rule of law.

As long as it is an ordinance. Fining people for ordinance violation is not tyranny.

It is still illegal under the rule of law.

How about from your side, the rule of man? Would this be illegal under the rule of man?

 

[rambone]

This is a replacement of the rule of law for the rule of man from the Right side of the spectrum.

However, I am talking about the Constitution and the Rule of Law, not the Rule of Man.

You want the rule of man; I want the rule of law. I understand, we all get it.

How about from your side, the rule of man? Would this be illegal under the rule of man?

Kirk, do you even know what "Rule of Man" means? Is someone in this thread advocating monarchy? Are we crowning a king? What are you talking about?


Rule of man is absence of rule of law. It is a society in which one person, or a group of persons, rules arbitrarily. The Sovereign exercises absolute authority and is not bound by any law, he as a person stands outside law.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Yes, Mr. Hobbes, I know what the Rule of Man is, it is right here in this thread.

 

[steveh_131]

Yes, Mr. Hobbes, I know what the Rule of Man is, it is right here in this thread.

Does this sort of illogical nonsense work in the courtroom?

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Again the Rule of Man wants to talk about anything but the law.

 

[steveh_131]

Kirk, you're asking weird loaded questions and assigning labels to my argument that honestly don't make sense.

Why don't you ask your question in a way that makes sense.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

I have no questions. I just have observations.

 

[rambone]

The worst tyranny

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victim may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." -- C.S. Lewis

 

[Kirk Freeman]

The tyranny of utopia of the rule of man: Dangers of Utopia | United Liberty | Free Market - Individual Liberty - Limited Government

 

[rambone]

You think property ownership = "Rule of Man"?

Is that why you keep repeating that phrase out of context?

Who, exactly, is being ruled?

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Property ownership is the essence of the rule of law.

I am not using anything out of context.

 

[BigBoxaJunk]

Reading this thread reminds me about places on earth that are referred to as "God's Country". The one thing that all those places have in common is an almost total absence of people. And there are other places that used to be referred to as "God's Country" way in the past but not anymore, and the big change is, you guessed it, now there are people there in numbers.

Maybe God would still have more of his country if only he'd added a few zoning rules to the 10 commandments; Thou shalt not bulldoze down all the trees. Thou shalt not dump thy waste into the water. Thou shalt not place profit above conservation. Thou shalt always practice sustainable forms of agriculture.

Left to ourselves, we do it to the earth, and we do it to each other.

 

[BigBoxaJunk]

Sometimes you guys talking about the virtues of absolute liberty reminds me of young teenage couples who say things like "As long as we love each other, that's all that matters".

 

[rambone]

Property ownership is the essence of the rule of law.

That's why I stand against all of your attempts to undermine property rights with your "collective good" reasoning.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

I do no such thing. However, I do stand against your tyranny of the Rule of Man.

 

[BigBoxaJunk]

When you're young: "Man, it's so bogus that my dad won't let my band practice in the garage. I'm so tired of living under his heinous tyranny."

When you're a little older: "Man, it's so bogus that their making me pay for a permit just so my band can play in this bar. Those dudes have no respect for freedom"

When your much older: "Man, if those kids next door don't turn down that @%#&^% music, I'm calling the cops"

 

[Kirk Freeman]

If the Utopians just wanted to sit in their bedrooms in the father's house, wear their leather jackets and ***** about "the man" while painting their fingernails black and listening to Depche Mode, then I don't have a any problem.

But they deliberately distort the rule of law and the history of property law into some L. Neil Smith fantasy, then they will be corrected.