If you are carrying in Indy and in downtown, read this

[Whosyer]

im all out of rep so thats why I have to quote all of you to show my acceptance. but Jeremy, you truly hit it on the head here! you couldnt be more right in everything you just said in my opinion. Someone else false feelings of safety is never more important than our rights. NEVER! cop, citizen, president, astronaut, porn star, I dont care who you are. unalienable rights!!!

I hit the rep button before I even got to this......

"When the **** did America the Home of the Free and the Land of the Brave turn into Home of the chained and the Nambi-Pambi land...

 

[IncendiaryGunner]

If you think that all IMPD does at 3am on Meridian St on a Friday or Saturday night is "stand around", you are sorely mistaken. Maybe you should take a little field trip and see what it is really like before you jump to conclusions.

I have been to Meridian St at 3am before.. I understand the risks, and that was my point. Standing around is their job - that is what they are paid to do, stand around and then react to crime.

They police cannot always be proactive and stop homicides from happening. Police presence makes people feel safe.. and their presence can deter crime if the bad guys are worried about their presence.

What police cannot do, is prevent all violence.

Someone gets killed in an area with heavy police presence... People get scared, as if it never happens... Police issue statement that they will crack down on illegal firearms... People feel better...

 

[Pocketman]

Benjamin Franklin said something about giving up liberty in the name of security, deserve neither. That's exactly what's going on with this and similar issues.

Abraham Lincoln, quoting from the Bible, said a divided house will not stand. Doesn't get much more divided than law abiding citizens and police distrusting each other.

The criminals and terrorists are winning this battle, and the politicians are playing right into their hands. Police officers have better things to do than hassle people looking for "illegal guns." I doubt most of them enjoy the activity, but that's what they've been tasked to do. Truthfully, short of patting down everyone, there's no effective means to actually perform this "crack down," but it looks good in the news.

 

[rbrthenderson]

This is a slippery slope...

Soon, they will be running checks on you for no reason. Just to see if you are a proper person.

As for those people that are using the "being a police officer is a dangerous job" card. I agree, being a police officer is a dangerous job, so is working in a mine and that's why I choose to not do either. These guys know what they signed up for and that doesn't give them the right to violate my rights when I'm doing nothing wrong and they have no reason to suspect I am. The sight of a gun isn't probable cause.

This would be the same as saying, "We're having problems with people stealing cars, so we're going to just randomly stop anyone with a car and check their registration."

 

[LLDJR]

Without dissecting and sanitizing the wording of the article, I think we all agree that people without a Handgun License should not be caring a gun downtown or anywhere.

I have no problems in showing my license if asked to do so.

 

[danielocean03]

There was talk on the radio about another Gun Buy-back Program.

Can we as private citizen's set up a table outside this location to buy the "good" guns first???

I know these things rarely work, but there always a chance.

You're not the only one who has thought of this very thing. I've wanted to do this for a long time, I'll pay twice as much as whatever the "buy back people" are and still come out ahead!

*As long as I'm not getting a bunch of Hi-Points...*

 

[singlesix]

They talking cash or gift cards? I have a old single shot shotgun that I'll let go for $100.00.

 

[INGunGuy]

Without dissecting and sanitizing the wording of the article, I think we all agree that people without a Handgun License should not be caring a gun downtown or anywhere.

I have no problems in showing my license if asked to do so.

Will you submit to the police searching your house, in the name of safety, because you have nothing to hide also?

Sheesh.... Why does everyone seem so willing to give up their civil rights...

INGunGuy

 

[LLDJR]

Will you submit to the police searching your house, in the name of safety, because you have nothing to hide also?

Sheesh.... Why does everyone seem so willing to give up their civil rights...

INGunGuy

I did not see that stated in the article, Being that I am law abiding, I have nothing to hide and I sort of see this as my tax money be put to work for my safety

I always open to better suggestions, what would you propose as a solution?

 

[INGunGuy]

I did not see that stated in the article, Being that I am law abiding, I have nothing to hide and I sort of see this as my tax money be put to work for my safety

I always open to better suggestions, what would you propose as a solution?

The solution is this, LEAVE ME AND EVERYONE ELSE ALONE!!!!! Remember it is inherently dangerous to live in a free society.

I also am a law abiding citizen, that is why I paid my 2nd Amendment tax to be able to carry my weapon with me in the state of Indiana. So because I am a law abiding citizen, then the LEO have absolutely no reason whatsoever to stop me because there is NO RAS or PC for a stop as I am NOT going to be breaking any laws.

What gives LEO the right to stop me, ask me for identification, LTCH, my weapon, or anything else for that matter? The Indiana Supreme Court has ruled that the mere fact of having a gun is NOT RAS or PC for a Terry stop.

So again, the solution is to LEAVE ME ALONE!!!!! When and ONLY WHEN I commit a crime can you stop me.

Oh and as far as giving up my civil rights, nope, never, no you can search, no I dont have ID, no I dont have anything illegal on me, am I under arrest? Am I being detained? Am I free to go. That is all, nothing more.

INGunGuy

 

[IncendiaryGunner]

I did not see that stated in the article, Being that I am law abiding, I have nothing to hide and I sort of see this as my tax money be put to work for my safety

I always open to better suggestions, what would you propose as a solution?

As a solution to what problem?

People killing other people?

That is not a problem that will be solved by this crack down.... I am gong to go out on a limb, and assume someone else will get killed in Indianapolis sometime in the remainder of the year. It WILL happen, and there is no solution to that, even if you are happy being searched without proper cause.

 

[Stainer]

By the Way I have no problem with anyone not in Confinement carrying a Weapon. The paid their Debt and were deemed fit and safe for release back into Society. Right?!

No, they were released after they did their time. Most of the time, that's it. I could give you a nice long list of pieces of crap felons that should not possess a gun. Yes there are some that are ok and would be alright to have a firearm, but tell me where you cross the line. You did the wrong when you committed the felony, you knew the consequences if you got caught, NOW you pay the price and lose your rights.

 

[jbombelli]

Without dissecting and sanitizing the wording of the article, I think we all agree that people without a Handgun License should not be caring a gun downtown or anywhere.

I have no problems in showing my license if asked to do so.

I don't think we all agree on that at all. Many of us, including myself, don't believe in having to have a government permission slip to exercise our rights.

I still have one, but I strongly disagree with having to have it.

 

[bassplayrguy]

I don't think we all agree on that at all. Many of us, including myself, don't believe in having to have a government permission slip to exercise our rights.

I still have one, but I strongly disagree with having to have it.

I could not agree more with this statement.

 

[Walter Zoomie]

One of the reasons becoming a lawyer appealed to me was that I would actually know how to assert my rights within the legal system and be able to without bankruptcy.

Yet...when we mundanes need your services to get a little justice, the price we pay oftentimes is so high we can't avoid bankruptcy.

Funny how that works...

What a country...

 

[shooter1054]

I don't mind showing my LTCH if asked anymore than showing my hunting or fishing license if a CO asks.

 

[bassplayrguy]

If they don't have any reason to believe that you are carrying illegally other than the fact that you are carrying, they shouldn't ask to see it. I think that is what the point is. It is illegal search.

 

[jeremy]

No, they were released after they did their time. Most of the time, that's it. I could give you a nice long list of pieces of crap felons that should not possess a gun. Yes there are some that are ok and would be alright to have a firearm, but tell me where you cross the line. You did the wrong when you committed the felony, you knew the consequences if you got caught, NOW you pay the price and lose your rights.

And once again I will ask if they are so dangerous to Society that they have a Right barred from them, why again are they released?!

 

[88GT]

Without dissecting and sanitizing the wording of the article, I think we all agree that people without a Handgun License should not be caring a gun downtown or anywhere.

I have no problems in showing my license if asked to do so.

I don't think we all agree on that at all. Many of us, including myself, don't believe in having to have a government permission slip to exercise our rights.

I still have one, but I strongly disagree with having to have it.

Not only do I disagree with it. I vehemently oppose it. A little credit card-sized laminated pink card doesn't determine the morality of an individual...or his willingness to abide by the law. What then is the point of the card?

No, they were released after they did their time. Most of the time, that's it. I could give you a nice long list of pieces of crap felons that should not [STRIKE]possess a gun[/STRIKE] see the light of day. Yes there are some that are ok and would be alright to have a firearm, but tell me where you cross the line. You did the wrong when you committed the felony, you knew the consequences if you got caught, NOW you pay the price and lose your rights.

Fixed that for ya.

Lose them forever? Really? Have you seen what gets you a felony charge lately? You really think two teenagers boinking each other warrants one of them losing his right for the rest of his natural born life? If they are so dangerous that we cannot trust them with a firearm, how can you tell me with a straight face we can trust them at all?

 

[lashicoN]

Without dissecting and sanitizing the wording of the article, I think we all agree that people without a Handgun License should not be caring a gun downtown or anywhere.

I have no problems in showing my license if asked to do so.

Sorry, but I don't agree with this. The second Amendment clearly says "shall not be infringed" and a licensing system to carry is certainly an unconstitutional infringement.

No, they were released after they did their time. Most of the time, that's it. I could give you a nice long list of pieces of crap felons that should not possess a gun. Yes there are some that are ok and would be alright to have a firearm, but tell me where you cross the line. You did the wrong when you committed the felony, you knew the consequences if you got caught, NOW you pay the price and lose your rights.

If they are too dangerous to own a firearm, then they are too dangerous to be out of jail. Death sentence or life penalty for the real bad guys and jail time for the others who get their rights back when they get out. This jail for ever crap is stupid. Your rights shouldn't be stripped from you because you had to pee along the side of the road or something equally crazy.