I was ALMOST robbed today!

[Eric05]

I can't believe I just read all 42 pages of this thread.....

Anyway, nice job OP. I belive you did the right thing.

 

[HICKMAN]

That's all we were dealing with isn't it?

well, it was until he said he would have shot the guy if he charged.

 

[$mooth]

I can't believe I just read all 42 pages of this thread.....

Anyway, nice job OP. I belive you did the right thing.

Only 11 for me. Change your board settings.

well, it was until he said he would have shot the guy if he charged.

What would you recommend? Re-holstering to draw a knife? pistol whip? I'm curious, cause right now I agree with the oP.

 

[goinggreyfast]

What would you recommend? Re-holstering to draw a knife? pistol whip? I'm curious, cause right now I agree with the oP.

Right now, I'm thinking that the OP wishes he had drawn down on this thread and shot it to pieces 250+ posts ago.

 

[Rookie]

This thread has been very UN entertaining.

With the exception of ATM's comments.

 

[Rookie]

At first it was

Then is was

Then all of a sudden

Then it evolves into with an occasional

Now its just

Either

OR

 

[goinggreyfast]

At first it was

Then is was

Then all of a sudden

Then it evolves into with an occasional

Now its just

Either

OR

You forgot that it is also a ad infinitum.

 

[mainjet]

well, it was until he said he would have shot the guy if he charged.

I think we should leave that until it happens for real. Because at that point so many more things may come into play, like did he pull a knife, etc.

We could go on forever with what he may have done next but "next" never happened. Many have argued about the court case that would come from this and how he would answer. Well, so far, if there were to be a court case he would only be answering for what actually did happen. They will not ask him what if more had happened. He cannot be convicted on something that has not happened.

So there.... We could have cut this thread down to 2-3 pages and been done with it.

I like the way you debate Hickman. Your courteous and you make your points. You don't really let it get all down in the gutter and angry. Well done.

 

[jbrooks19]

Very, very true!!!!!!!!! > > > > >

Right now, I'm thinking that the OP wishes he had drawn down on this thread and shot it to pieces 250+ posts ago.

 

[rhino]

well, it was until he said he would have shot the guy if he charged.

I hope I don't regret posting in this topic, but . . .

(and maybe someone else mentioned this)

. . . what kind of person charges at someone who is holding a gun? A reasonable individual could infer from that behavior that the assailant is either crazy or has some as yet unseen means for doing harm that emboldens them. Either way, I think it's possible to make a case that even though the attacker is apparently unarmed, they still present a threat warranting use of potentially deadly force.

I'm not saying it's the "right" response, but with the luxury of the "what if?" while we're all safe, it's worth thinkin' about it.

Decisions are hard!

 

[Bunnykid68]

I hope I don't regret posting in this topic, but . . .

(and maybe someone else mentioned this)

. . . what kind of person charges at someone who is holding a gun? A reasonable individual could infer from that behavior that the assailant is either crazy or has some as yet unseen means for doing harm that emboldens them. Either way, I think it's possible to make a case that even though the attacker is apparently unarmed, they still present a threat warranting use of potentially deadly force.

I'm not saying it's the "right" response, but with the luxury of the "what if?" while we're all safe, it's worth thinkin' about it.

Decisions are hard!

I am with Rhino on this. If I am pointing a gun at someone and they charge me I assume they mean to kill me, hurt me badly or want to try and get my gun.
BANG BANG

 

[mainjet]

I hope I don't regret posting in this topic, but . . .

Oooh, your in now! We will make you veeery sorry that you entered. Now run for your life!!

 

[Fargo]

and you did a bang up job on the drawing the pistol part.

Think it took a turn when the OP said he's shoot the guy if he charged him. Then it turned into a justifying deadly force on an unarmed assailant case.


The only thing I'm really trying to advocate here is there is more to an LTCH than a gun and the Indiana Code. Until YOU have to sit in front of a full court justifying your actions... you really can't know. I should have gave up caring about this thread long ago... but if just ONE person goes and learns what they really can or can not do, it was worth the time.

NO, NO AND FOR THE UMPTEENTH TIME NO!

If anything, if the guy charged it turned into a justifying deadly force on a person actively committing a forcible felony case.

That is the standard under Indiana law, NOT whether the person was armed.

Why are you continuously ignoring the IC and acting like Indiana is a common law self-defense rule state? The common law rules of self defense have been statutorily abrogated in Indiana and no longer apply.

Why you continue to ignore the ACTUAL ELEMENTS OF THE LAW is what is really beyond me here.

This whole "educate yourself" thing is admirable but demonstrating a wholly superficial understanding of the law in the jurisdiction you are talking about is not.

Joe

 

[Fishersjohn48]

IBTL.....Just taking a stab in the dark.

 

[HICKMAN]

Only 11 for me. Change your board settings.



What would you recommend? Re-holstering to draw a knife? pistol whip? I'm curious, cause right now I agree with the oP.

I recommend taking training from one of the trainers I posted above.

Had that been me, he would have been covered in pepper spray, which my wife and I both started carrying after a class.

Funny though, we talked about this last week.

If you carry a lethal option, you should carry a less than lethal option.

scroll down a little past the jokes:

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...ense/196244-do_you_carry_oc_pepper_spray.html

 

[Hoosier45]

I would just start taking my clothes off, because nobody wants to fight a naked guy





(stolen from Rodney Carrington)

 

[churchmouse]

I would just start taking my clothes off, because nobody wants to fight a naked guy





(stolen from Rodney Carrington)

Nobody wants to "See" a naked guy....Man, just wrong

 

[Hoosier45]

That's the only less than lethal option I carry, though! Or I could try to hit him with my shoe.

 

[HICKMAN]

I hope I don't regret posting in this topic, but . . .

(and maybe someone else mentioned this)

. . . what kind of person charges at someone who is holding a gun? A reasonable individual could infer from that behavior that the assailant is either crazy or has some as yet unseen means for doing harm that emboldens them. Either way, I think it's possible to make a case that even though the attacker is apparently unarmed, they still present a threat warranting use of potentially deadly force.

I'm not saying it's the "right" response, but with the luxury of the "what if?" while we're all safe, it's worth thinkin' about it.

Decisions are hard!

I can't believe, of ALL PEOPLE, you didn't throw out pepper spray!

YOU are the pepper spray master!!

 

[HICKMAN]

If anything, if the guy charged it turned into a justifying deadly force on a person actively committing a forcible felony case.

"Forcible felony" defined

Sec. 11. "Forcible felony" means a felony that involves the use or
threat of force against a human being, or in which there is imminent
danger of bodily injury to a human being.


You would be on the stand trying to convince the jury that you "reasonably believes that that force is necessary to prevent serious bodily injury"

What felony is "running at someone"? Did the guy outweigh the OP by 100 pounds to make him fear for his life? He didn't indicate that or imply that.

Was "a Hispanic male in a heavy coat" justification for deadly force? hell no
If I draw back and act like I'm going to punch you in the face, that is not justification either.

The case I posted above where someone PUSHES YOU, is not justification.

You have to PROVE IN COURT, that you were in reasonable fear of SERIOUS BODILY INJURY... not a black eye, SERIOUS BODILY INJURY

That's why pepper spray (reasonable force) is an option for unarmed perps, as Paul Gomez (linked above) suggests.