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Hey sorry about not getting back to you guys earlier, I had to run some errands immediately after and I was not expecting such a deluge of responses. I'll try to elaborate further on my earlier ten points.
1. I don't think all Muslims are terrorists. I think extremists on either side are likely to be terrorists.
Perhaps I misspoke. What I'm trying to say is, there are religious and non-religious groups of all kinds. There have been a lot of people doing bad things in the name of God or justice. Despite that, I still think that we should give the majority of people the benefit of the doubt, even if they belong to a polarizing group.
2. I'm pro-choice.
This will come off as evil, but I really think the world has enough babies. Social services in this country, are understaffed and underfunded. I've heard way too many stories of people working for child protection services not caring about a foster child in a bad home, simply because there just aren't enough resources or that the staff member in charge is just overwhelmed with cases. If someone doesn't want to have a baby, abort it, because there is a good chance that child will be born into an unwelcome home and become a financial liability for the rest of us for some time.
3. I don't think the sky is falling and don't believe that hyperinflation will occur in the near future.
Yea the economy sucks right now. But I do believe it will get better. No I didn't buy any gold. Maybe I should have. Maybe I should have bought stock when the Dow was at 6,000. I don't really believe any economist can predict what will happen in the future and the ones that claim they can should be regarded with some skepticism. That being said, preparing for the worst is a good thing, its part of the reason why I have a gun! I just think that a lot of the tin-foil wearing crowd just aren't really enjoying life and spend way too much time worrying. Enjoy life, buy a dog! Even if the **** does hit the fan, at least you're prepared!
4. I think climate change is happening and that humans share some of the responsibility for that.
Even if humans weren't responsible for climate change or on the level that Al Gore claims, I still think that global warming crowd has some good ideas. The sooner we get off foreign oil and start using alternative energy sources, the better and safer our country will be. Unlike a lot of the tree huggers, I would love to see more nuclear energy in this country. From what I've read, it appears to be very safe, incredibly efficient, and cheap. Lastly, even if climate change were not happening and people weren't responsible, we shouldn't get a free ticket to drive 5 mpg Hummers or not recycle. There are cleaner alternatives and we should embrace them because pollution sucks for everyone in the long term
5. I think evolution is as good of a theory as the theory of gravity.
I didn't really see that many objections to it. I can't really debate what the Bible said since I'm not God, and the Bible is God's word. We should teach this and not intelligent design in schools because its embraced by the scientific community as what's correct.
6. Let gays marry, why not?
Separate but equal never really works out in the end, look at Brown V Board of Education. Separate is inherently unequal. I don't think that gays should be denied the rights that straight couples can have. Besides, the biggest threat to marriage is divorce! Maybe another solution would be to abolish marriage completely and just give everyone civil unions and let churches deal with marriage.
7. I don't think Ron Paul is that awesome, yes he has some good ideas but he has just as many wacky ones.
Ron Paul has some great ideas like a free trade and opposing NAFTA, the fact that he has a very strict interpretation of the Constitution, he voted against the REAL ID act, and I'm sure you guys can think of a lot of others. I don't like the fact that he does not believe in evolution and wants to abolish the Board of Education and has a very isolationistic view of foreign policy. I do believe that sometimes our government should intervene in cases of humanitarian crises or real threats to our national security. I love the fact that he is a third party candidate, has garnered such large attention for his ideas, and is a thorn on the side of both Democrats and Republicans.
8. I don't think there is a liberal bias in the media as much the media is just stupid and irrelevant lately.
The reason why I don't think there is a liberal bias is because there are demagogues on both sides of the media. You have CNN, MSNBC, Keith Olbermann, Fox News, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck. Both sides have very powerful and influential talking heads and both of them have a very large following. I hate Rush because he makes fun of people with Parkinsons and is a huge hypocrite and I hate Keith Olbermann because he sounds obnoxious and refuses to use regular words. Both groups are very decisive and instead of focusing on real stories all I hear about is Jon and Kate plus 8 and Susan Boyle.
9. I don't think taxation is that horrible.
Taxes have paid for bad things and good things. I'm glad that taxes have paid for interstate highways, public education, the police and fire department, etc. I'm disappointed that tax money has paid for wars I don't agree with, bailouts I dislike, and the salaries of public servants I disagree with.
10. I like the idea of "socialized" healthcare.
I think the current system in America is horrible. Healthcare costs are too high and all the insurance companies are out there to screw you. Yea Canada's system seems to be OK. Yes you might have to wait a long time for non-essential surgeries, but at least you won't be bankrupt at the end of the procedure. I read a few days ago that health care costs account for close to half of the bankruptcies in America. Screw HMOs and screw the millionaire executives running private insurance companies and pharmaceutical corporations.
And just to prove an earlier poster right, I'll say something anti-gun. I can understand why the government won't allow fully automatic weapons and extended capacity magazines. From what I've gathered, if you need more than 10 rounds per magazine, either you're in a war zone or you need to go back to the range and practice. I do fully appreciate the fact that we are unique in our freedoms to own firearms and while me and my pistols might do anything against a government ordered military strike, it does instill some fear with those in power, which is always healthy. I do think the Assault Weapons Ban is stupid because the definition of what constitutes an assault weapon is very arbitrary and stupid. I wouldn't want the government imposing many laws on firearms because that only affects law abiding citizens. A criminal doesn't have to worry about a background check or what constitutes a pre-ban weapon because he'll take whatever he can get from the trunk of his dealer.
Lastly, any ideas on how to break in an HK45 full size?
1. I don't think all Muslims are terrorists. I think extremists on either side are likely to be terrorists.
Perhaps I misspoke. What I'm trying to say is, there are religious and non-religious groups of all kinds. There have been a lot of people doing bad things in the name of God or justice. Despite that, I still think that we should give the majority of people the benefit of the doubt, even if they belong to a polarizing group.
2. I'm pro-choice.
This will come off as evil, but I really think the world has enough babies. Social services in this country, are understaffed and underfunded. I've heard way too many stories of people working for child protection services not caring about a foster child in a bad home, simply because there just aren't enough resources or that the staff member in charge is just overwhelmed with cases. If someone doesn't want to have a baby, abort it, because there is a good chance that child will be born into an unwelcome home and become a financial liability for the rest of us for some time.
3. I don't think the sky is falling and don't believe that hyperinflation will occur in the near future.
Yea the economy sucks right now. But I do believe it will get better. No I didn't buy any gold. Maybe I should have. Maybe I should have bought stock when the Dow was at 6,000. I don't really believe any economist can predict what will happen in the future and the ones that claim they can should be regarded with some skepticism. That being said, preparing for the worst is a good thing, its part of the reason why I have a gun! I just think that a lot of the tin-foil wearing crowd just aren't really enjoying life and spend way too much time worrying. Enjoy life, buy a dog! Even if the **** does hit the fan, at least you're prepared!
4. I think climate change is happening and that humans share some of the responsibility for that.
Even if humans weren't responsible for climate change or on the level that Al Gore claims, I still think that global warming crowd has some good ideas. The sooner we get off foreign oil and start using alternative energy sources, the better and safer our country will be. Unlike a lot of the tree huggers, I would love to see more nuclear energy in this country. From what I've read, it appears to be very safe, incredibly efficient, and cheap. Lastly, even if climate change were not happening and people weren't responsible, we shouldn't get a free ticket to drive 5 mpg Hummers or not recycle. There are cleaner alternatives and we should embrace them because pollution sucks for everyone in the long term
5. I think evolution is as good of a theory as the theory of gravity.
I didn't really see that many objections to it. I can't really debate what the Bible said since I'm not God, and the Bible is God's word. We should teach this and not intelligent design in schools because its embraced by the scientific community as what's correct.
6. Let gays marry, why not?
Separate but equal never really works out in the end, look at Brown V Board of Education. Separate is inherently unequal. I don't think that gays should be denied the rights that straight couples can have. Besides, the biggest threat to marriage is divorce! Maybe another solution would be to abolish marriage completely and just give everyone civil unions and let churches deal with marriage.
7. I don't think Ron Paul is that awesome, yes he has some good ideas but he has just as many wacky ones.
Ron Paul has some great ideas like a free trade and opposing NAFTA, the fact that he has a very strict interpretation of the Constitution, he voted against the REAL ID act, and I'm sure you guys can think of a lot of others. I don't like the fact that he does not believe in evolution and wants to abolish the Board of Education and has a very isolationistic view of foreign policy. I do believe that sometimes our government should intervene in cases of humanitarian crises or real threats to our national security. I love the fact that he is a third party candidate, has garnered such large attention for his ideas, and is a thorn on the side of both Democrats and Republicans.
8. I don't think there is a liberal bias in the media as much the media is just stupid and irrelevant lately.
The reason why I don't think there is a liberal bias is because there are demagogues on both sides of the media. You have CNN, MSNBC, Keith Olbermann, Fox News, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck. Both sides have very powerful and influential talking heads and both of them have a very large following. I hate Rush because he makes fun of people with Parkinsons and is a huge hypocrite and I hate Keith Olbermann because he sounds obnoxious and refuses to use regular words. Both groups are very decisive and instead of focusing on real stories all I hear about is Jon and Kate plus 8 and Susan Boyle.
9. I don't think taxation is that horrible.
Taxes have paid for bad things and good things. I'm glad that taxes have paid for interstate highways, public education, the police and fire department, etc. I'm disappointed that tax money has paid for wars I don't agree with, bailouts I dislike, and the salaries of public servants I disagree with.
10. I like the idea of "socialized" healthcare.
I think the current system in America is horrible. Healthcare costs are too high and all the insurance companies are out there to screw you. Yea Canada's system seems to be OK. Yes you might have to wait a long time for non-essential surgeries, but at least you won't be bankrupt at the end of the procedure. I read a few days ago that health care costs account for close to half of the bankruptcies in America. Screw HMOs and screw the millionaire executives running private insurance companies and pharmaceutical corporations.
And just to prove an earlier poster right, I'll say something anti-gun. I can understand why the government won't allow fully automatic weapons and extended capacity magazines. From what I've gathered, if you need more than 10 rounds per magazine, either you're in a war zone or you need to go back to the range and practice. I do fully appreciate the fact that we are unique in our freedoms to own firearms and while me and my pistols might do anything against a government ordered military strike, it does instill some fear with those in power, which is always healthy. I do think the Assault Weapons Ban is stupid because the definition of what constitutes an assault weapon is very arbitrary and stupid. I wouldn't want the government imposing many laws on firearms because that only affects law abiding citizens. A criminal doesn't have to worry about a background check or what constitutes a pre-ban weapon because he'll take whatever he can get from the trunk of his dealer.
Lastly, any ideas on how to break in an HK45 full size?
respect for coming back and explaining yourself. I will however argue #1 and 6
"there are religious and non-religious groups of all kinds. There have been a lot of people doing bad things in the name of God or justice. Despite that, I still think that we should give the majority of people the benefit of the doubt, even if they belong to a polarizing group."
muslim is not a "polarizing group" it is a religion plain and simple. and according to there most holy writing they are to convert and or destroy all non believing countries and peoples. but I also think terrorist is thrown around like tactical as a descriptive word, I would label them religious fanatics at their core but with there belief system it by definition would make them "terrorist" by todays standard.
"Separate but equal never really works out in the end, look at Brown V Board of Education. Separate is inherently unequal. I don't think that gays should be denied the rights that straight couples can have"
if you concede this you must also concede any wack job group or culture to be able to make up "rights" because of who they are or what they believe. you would have to support incestual marriage and being able to marry animals marrying underage children etc. etc. the country was founded on christian values and beliefs whether you agree with them or not thats where the regulations regarding this stem from.
but once again I do appreciate you not running away and explaining your views. oh and shoot the thing if you want to break it in.
"there are religious and non-religious groups of all kinds. There have been a lot of people doing bad things in the name of God or justice. Despite that, I still think that we should give the majority of people the benefit of the doubt, even if they belong to a polarizing group."
muslim is not a "polarizing group" it is a religion plain and simple. and according to there most holy writing they are to convert and or destroy all non believing countries and peoples. but I also think terrorist is thrown around like tactical as a descriptive word, I would label them religious fanatics at their core but with there belief system it by definition would make them "terrorist" by todays standard.
"Separate but equal never really works out in the end, look at Brown V Board of Education. Separate is inherently unequal. I don't think that gays should be denied the rights that straight couples can have"
if you concede this you must also concede any wack job group or culture to be able to make up "rights" because of who they are or what they believe. you would have to support incestual marriage and being able to marry animals marrying underage children etc. etc. the country was founded on christian values and beliefs whether you agree with them or not thats where the regulations regarding this stem from.
but once again I do appreciate you not running away and explaining your views. oh and shoot the thing if you want to break it in.
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I love when threads move this quickly.
So:
1) Be aware that it IS being watched and could close at any moment if it gets too far out of line.
2) Ron, you may claim to not be a troll, but to post something like that which you KNOW is going to start a riot, you need to stay involved in the conversation. So far, most people have done a decent job of responding with intelligent, thought out responses. Please do them the courtesy of defending your position, or you will actually BE a troll, despite your claims. Physical location has NOTHING to do with your forum status and reputation.
3) To those who are telling Ron to STFU: Keep in mind this thread was only started about an hour ago. He MIGHT actually be doing research to backup his claims. He might be trying to figure out a response. He might be eating lunch and planning to come back later this evening. IOW: Give him time to breathe, ok?
Please continue to keep this conversation civil. It's nice to see a differing opinion now and then.
So:
1) Be aware that it IS being watched and could close at any moment if it gets too far out of line.
2) Ron, you may claim to not be a troll, but to post something like that which you KNOW is going to start a riot, you need to stay involved in the conversation. So far, most people have done a decent job of responding with intelligent, thought out responses. Please do them the courtesy of defending your position, or you will actually BE a troll, despite your claims. Physical location has NOTHING to do with your forum status and reputation.
3) To those who are telling Ron to STFU: Keep in mind this thread was only started about an hour ago. He MIGHT actually be doing research to backup his claims. He might be trying to figure out a response. He might be eating lunch and planning to come back later this evening. IOW: Give him time to breathe, ok?
Please continue to keep this conversation civil. It's nice to see a differing opinion now and then.
Ok, so he responded before I got mine in, but I'm going to leave the warnings there.
As I said, please continue to keep this civil. The conversation so far has been .. almost enjoyable, even though I haven't found one post I agree with 100% yet.
As I said, please continue to keep this civil. The conversation so far has been .. almost enjoyable, even though I haven't found one post I agree with 100% yet.
Don't really find it evil, but I would've preferred you left this one vague. I'll try this line the next time I'm up at 2am comforting my wife because she's woken up crying (again!) because we are medically unable to conceive and don't have the thousands of dollars lying around for adoption. Don't think it'll work though.
Indy_Guy_77
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I'm a liberal, too.
Which is why I'm conservative.
Remember, in today's world: liberal = leftist
The "real" definition of liberalism is what one needs reminding of. Classical liberalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I'd also like to add that I find it strange that someone who's an espoused gun-owner would purposefully and willfully support a person and a party that is, almost to a man (leadership-wise), completely and totally against personal firearm ownership and use? Does not compute.
-J-
Which is why I'm conservative.
Remember, in today's world: liberal = leftist
The "real" definition of liberalism is what one needs reminding of. Classical liberalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I'd also like to add that I find it strange that someone who's an espoused gun-owner would purposefully and willfully support a person and a party that is, almost to a man (leadership-wise), completely and totally against personal firearm ownership and use? Does not compute.
-J-
As I've said before, we would do well to remember there is a big difference between classic liberalism (think libertarian politically) and modern liberalism (think socialism/totalitarianism). Many people on here seem to be quite the traditional liberal. Very few if any modern liberal thinking persons come and stay or survive.
Paco Bedejo
Master
I'm thinking you don't understand the meaning & purpose of the 2nd Amendment.
The right to keep & bear ARMS. Arms are weapons. It doesn't say single-shot rifles. It doesn't say knives. It says ARMS. Arms are what our military has. Constitutionally, we have the right to keep & bear any arms which could be feasibly used to protect our lives & property, at a minimum. If you own 4,000 acres, this could mean anything up to & including a tank or armed helicopter, imo. If you believe this is an unreasonable viewpoint, then you don't understand our history.
*EDIT* removed 'should' in reference to our rights.
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I don't understand why this is the fault of someone who gets an abortion. The government makes it cost inhibitive.
Oh. Intelligent arguments. Gotcha!
*dangit, I was so hoping that sarcasm was in order*
trying to say this as tactful as possible, sorry for your medical issues but it's a non point if you don't have the money for adoption or other means of having children, I'm a firm believer in not doing things so other people feel better about themselves.(not specific to abortion but in general) I'm not gonna recycle everything so some hippie in oregon can sleep better at night.
henktermaat
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- Jan 3, 2009
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Way to go Ron, thanks for coming back to this thread. Your arguments for BHO are identical to those of my liberal friends, all the way up to when questioned about an issue that BHO is clearly wrong/they don't agree with, they say "I'm not a one-issue voter" or something like you just did.
I can read and hear these arguments, and I understand where you are coming from, but I don't think you've thought them through completely in most cases.
I can read and hear these arguments, and I understand where you are coming from, but I don't think you've thought them through completely in most cases.
i have 400+ acres what do i qualify for???the land is pread out all over the state. i hope i qualify for a tank (awesome yote killer)
emmitsmithxd9
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- Apr 16, 2009
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Wow this thread went fast.
I am enjoying everyones post almost.
One that i would like to say you are wrong on in my opinion is Abortion.
PLAIN AND SIMPLE IT IS MURDER!!!!
If you support Abortion in my opinion you are supporting a huge mass murder.
But America is a great place of freedom of speech, so you can belive what you want and i can believe what I want.
I do respect you for posting your ideas, It took alot of courage ,or a 12 pack to do what you did/ are doing.
I am enjoying everyones post almost.
One that i would like to say you are wrong on in my opinion is Abortion.
PLAIN AND SIMPLE IT IS MURDER!!!!
If you support Abortion in my opinion you are supporting a huge mass murder.
But America is a great place of freedom of speech, so you can belive what you want and i can believe what I want.
I do respect you for posting your ideas, It took alot of courage ,or a 12 pack to do what you did/ are doing.
henktermaat
Master
- Jan 3, 2009
- 4,952
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