I KNEW IT!!!

[JetGirl]

Thanks for the answer (and the roundabout answer to why I was actually banned). I appreciate the reply.
I'm not PMing anything. I'll consider it done.

 

[esrice]

JetGirl you've been an INGOer longer than most.

I think your recent frustrations are more similar to Que's than you may think. Sure, you're on different sides of an imaginary aisle, but I think you're both feeling the same thing.

You and Que both love INGO, are both active here, and both have a vested emotional interest in it continuing. You both care.

Unfortunately you both seem a bit burned out and that has shown up here recently.

Rather than making rash decisions (like resigning as Mod) or making illogical leaps (Rules. No rules. Screw it. Nobody needs to know.) I think you two would be better served by cooling off and reevaluating your positions. Put some sleep between yourselves and this issue.

Are there things the Mod Staff could do to be more efficient, fair, and balanced? Probably.

Are there ways the general membership could bring these up and have a reasonable dialog with the policy makers? Probably.

But I don't think this thread is that vehicle. If we all agree that we want INGO to continue and we all agree that it will take Moderators to make it do so, let's find a better and more reasonable way to work with the INGO Staff at making that happen. Let's give them the space and opportunity to work our their staffing issues, and let's be available with our questions, comments, and ideas when and where it's appropriate. Let's offer our help and our support, knowing that in the end we all want the same thing.

 

[JetGirl]

Put some sleep between yourselves and this issue.
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Just before you posted, I did say I'll consider it done.

 

[Rookie]

"Backed into a corner" for asking if moderators operate within set rules or guidelines for their actions? Come on.

Seriously.

You mistook the meaning of my reply. You asked him some pointed questions that would force him to take a side. He chose to remain neutral. Am I making sense? I hope so, because it makes sense to me...

 

[Dead Duck]

Backed into a corner and you still remain neutral.

"Backed into a corner" for asking if moderators operate within set rules or guidelines for their actions? Come on.

Seriously.

You mistook the meaning of my reply. You asked him some pointed questions that would force him to take a side. He chose to remain neutral. Am I making sense? I hope so, because it makes sense to me...

Corner's not a good place to be.

 

[esrice]

Just before you posted, I did say I'll consider it done.

I look forward to your thoughts, opinions, and suggestions on how to solve the larger matter that's been raised. I'm sure the Mods would be all for having easier and more efficient duties.

 

[JetGirl]

I look forward to your thoughts, opinions, and suggestions on how to solve the larger matter that's been raised. I'm sure the Mods would be all for having easier and more efficient duties.

Some of the ideas and suggestions so far were pretty much on a good track.
Have a guideline for what is a bannable offense and what is not. Let the members know (via sticky or faq).
Don't moderate a discussion you're participating in, especially if it's heated.
Use a warning system. (Warning/infraction/ban).
Simple stuff like that. Easy enough for everyone to understand where the "lines" are, etc.

 

[Darral27]

Some of the ideas and suggestions so far were pretty much on a good track.
Have a guideline for what is a bannable offense and what is not. Let the members know (via sticky or faq).
Don't moderate a discussion you're participating in, especially if it's heated.
Use a warning system. (Warning/infraction/ban).
Simple stuff like that. Easy enough for everyone to understand where the "lines" are, etc.

I think we pretty much all know what we will be banned for. I don't agree with all of it but it's not my site. I do agree unless the offense is just crazy it would be nice to have a warning before ban.
I absolutely agree Mods should not moderate a thread they are participating in. I left the site for nearly a year when something similar happened me. Debating back and forth with a mod and then same mod in the debate banned me and posted about it in thread. I would not have nearly so PO'ed if another mod would have came in for the ban. Just seemed inappropriate.

 

[esrice]

Simple stuff like that.

Oh as a former Mod I can tell you that your list, while all great ideas, are nowhere near "simple". Simple to understand, perhaps, but not so simple to roll out and enforce.

Why? Because of the Rookie Priniciple. You guys are all familiar with the Rookie Prinicple, right? Or is that just an INGO Mod thing?

 

[JetGirl]

I think we pretty much all know what we will be banned for.

I didn't!
I figured actually SAYING what could be done (or swearing or personally attacking or other) would get a ban, and that's why I DIDN'T.

 

[JetGirl]

Oh as a former Mod I can tell you that your list, while all great ideas, are nowhere near "simple". Simple to understand, perhaps, but not so simple to roll out and enforce.

Why? Because of the Rookie Priniciple. You guys are all familiar with the Rookie Prinicple, right? Or is that just an INGO Mod thing?

I have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[pudly]

Because of the Rookie Priniciple. You guys are all familiar with the Rookie Prinicple, right? Or is that just an INGO Mod thing?

I have no idea what you're talking about.

^This. Please share.

 

[Rookie]

Lol, I have no idea either!

 

[Dead Duck]

Lol, I have no idea either!

You should be the one to know.......apparently.

 

[churchmouse]

Lol, I have no idea either!

Rookie.....what have you done now.......

 

[esrice]

I have no idea what you're talking about.

Ok I'll pull the curtain back a bit here and let you in on the Rookie Principle. Look for more in my tell-all book, coming next year.

The Rookie Principle

noun

1. The primary principle used by INGO Moderators when devising new policy for INGunOwners.com.

2. A filter for testing new proposed policy.

3. The principle that states: Before a new policy is fully formed, one must first attempt to skirt every possible violation by twisting words and applying various forms of logic to said policy. Only once every possible avenue of violation has been explored can a new policy be implemented. If the wording of the policy allows for any wiggle room that might be extorted by one Rookie of INGunOwners.com then such a policy should be revised or discarded. Narrow policies that seek to define strict and well defined lines are easiest to defeat and therefore should be avoided.


You may have used a version of this principle when you were deciding what to name your children so you tried to think of every possible way their peers in school would try to contort their name into something humorous.

 

[Rookie]

Rookie.....what have you done now.......

I don't know. I feel like I'm a kid again and my dad saying, "You want your spanking now, or do you want to wait until you do something wrong?"

 

[Dead Duck]

Rookie's a TEST PILOT???

Cool!

 

[Darral27]

I didn't!
I figured actually SAYING what could be done (or swearing or personally attacking or other) would get a ban, and that's why I DIDN'T.

You didn't in this instance. Your ban was also lifted and the mod that banned you said he was wrong. Certainly not the normal scenario.

 

[Rookie]

I don't know if I should be flattered or offended. Either way, let me know so I can figure a way around it.