I am *begging* you, stop carrying on an empty chamber.

[chezuki]

I buy that, but it isn't what Cooper said.

No, but I'd LOVE to see what the "4 rules" would look like if Schroedinger had written them.

 

[BravoMike]

No, but I'd LOVE to see what the "4 rules" would look like if Schroedinger had written them.

The gun is always both loaded and unloaded?!

 

[jamil]

This isn't quantum mechanics and the "state" of the firearm is not both loaded and unloaded.

The RESULT will tell you which state it was in. Cooper was a great guy in many respects. But he wasn't Schroedinger.

So does introducing nonsense really make you feel like you've contributed?

It's loaded until it's not.

 

[Jackson]

I believe rule 1 should read "Always treat all guns as if they are loaded" rather than "All guns are always loaded". Clearly they are not always loaded, but we have one set of handling methods regardless of condition.

 

[Manatee]

So does introducing nonsense really make you feel like you've contributed?

It's loaded until it's not.

Who made you Queen of the Content Fairies?

 

[BravoMike]

I believe rule 4 should read "Always treat all guns as if they are loaded" rather than "All guns are always loaded". Clearly they are not always loaded, but we have one set of handling methods regardless of condition.

Agreed, however I believe that is/was the intent all along.

 

[Lectric102002]

I believe rule 1 should read "Always treat all guns as if they are loaded" rather than "All guns are always loaded". Clearly they are not always loaded, but we have one set of handling methods regardless of condition.

I'm a pretty simple guy. I like simple thoughts:

I see a handgun on a table. I think " OK, I have to treat that gun as if it's loaded, even though it might not be".

Versus:

I see a handgun on a table. I think "That gun is loaded".

Seems pretty simple to me.

 

[jim.a]

You need to think that a pistol,rifle or shotgun is loaded at all time. If not you can get shot

 

[Bunnykid68]

You need to think that a pistol,rifle or shotgun is loaded at all time. If not you can get shot

Only if you are violating another rule and pointing it at ones self

 

[Borock]

Like the guy standing in his driveway who shot himself in the foot because his gun went off all by itself.

 

[bwframe]

This isn't quantum mechanics and the "state" of the firearm is not both loaded and unloaded.

The RESULT will tell you which state it was in. Cooper was a great guy in many respects. But he wasn't Schroedinger.

What are Manatee's four rules of gun safety?

 

[Gadgetmonster]

This should be good...

 

[jamil]

I have a feeling rule 1 and 3 will contradict 2, and 4 will be completely unrelaated to firearms.

 

[netsecurity]

Would you carry a stun gun with the batteries in your pocket!

Perfect analogy! Rep incoming...

 

[netsecurity]

The "best" reason I've heard for carrying with an empty chamber is that the individual has a gun with no safety and use the empty chamber as their safety. While that may come down to a choice of having the wrong gun, what's the thought on carrying a chambered round with no safety?

Excellent question, and I believe wholeheartedly that the best answer is this: If you are not both experienced enough AND comfortable carrying a loaded gun without a safety, then you should not carry such gun at all, and should instead buy a gun with a safety or decocker. I am experienced enough, but prefer a safety, and always will.

I get upset by all the Glock fanboys and salesmen who run around telling new gun owners that they don't need a manual safety, and that the trigger IS the safety--as if the trigger is biometric or something. I believe this is one reason so many people today carry without one in the chamber, and that is a shame!

 

[netsecurity]

"Schroedinger's Gat"

"Until you pull the trigger, it can be thought of as both loaded and unloaded"

For full effect, one should carry a 6 shot revolver with 3 empty chambers. The cylinder should be spun blindly Russian Roulette style and immediately holstered until needed.

^Priceless LOL. I thought this post would go nowhere, but it has gone beyond philosophical hehe.

 

[TAT7]

Excellent question, and I believe wholeheartedly that the best answer is this: If you are not both experienced enough AND comfortable carrying a loaded gun without a safety, then you should not carry such gun at all, and should instead buy a gun with a safety or decocker. I am experienced enough, but prefer a safety, and always will.

I get upset by all the Glock fanboys and salesmen who run around telling new gun owners that they don't need a manual safety, and that the trigger IS the safety--as if the trigger is biometric or something. I believe this is one reason so many people today carry without one in the chamber, and that is a shame!

You don't "NEED" a manual safety, thats been proven. You want one. (I don't personally recommend them, but am not against them and see a use for then in some applications) This is especially true if you understand your weapon platform, practice the 4 safety rules, and have a god holster.

The trigger "IS" absolutely part of the the safety on Glocks, M&P's, XD's, and so on.

 

[lovemachine]

You don't "NEED" a manual safety, thats been proven. You want one. (I don't personally recommend them, but am not against them and see a use for then in some applications) This is especially true if you understand your weapon platform, practice the 4 safety rules, and have a god holster.

The trigger "IS" absolutely part of the the safety on Glocks, M&P's, XD's, and so on.

For what applications?

The only reason I can see someone needing a manual safety is for pocket carry. But pocket carrying without a holster is just stupid and dumb and shouldn't ever be done.

 

[Trigger Time]

For what applications?

The only reason I can see someone needing a manual safety is for pocket carry. But pocket carrying without a holster is just stupid and dumb and shouldn't ever be done.

pocket carry without a holster I agree.

 

[jamil]

You don't "NEED" a manual safety, thats been proven. You want one. (I don't personally recommend them, but am not against them and see a use for then in some applications) This is especially true if you understand your weapon platform, practice the 4 safety rules, and have a god holster.

The trigger "IS" absolutely part of the the safety on Glocks, M&P's, XD's, and so on.

How could one go wrong with one of those?

grin/