How many INGO members have drawn their weapon in a civilian hostile situation?

[actaeon277]

Posted my incident in March 2013:

Shooting incident five years ago. (long read)

Five years ago I was on active duty with the Army and my duty station was Indianapolis. It was summer time and I got off duty at 11 pm. I set around and talked with my relief for about 30 minutes and then hit 465 and took it around to I-74. As soon as I hit 74 west bound it started to rain. The farther I went the harder it rained. By the time I made it to Montgomery county it was pouring down. When I crossed over 231 I saw a car in the median facing east, running with the driver's side door open. I figured the driver had hydro planed in the heavy rain so I slowed down to assess the scene. I could not see anyone in the car even though the dome light was on. I called it in to 911. When I passed the vehicle I looked in my side mirror and saw a person staggering around on the shoulder of the west bound lane. I thought the person might have been hurt and trying to flag down help.*
I hit the next turn around and headed back to the scene. I pulled into the edge of the median close to the vehicle and I could see the person with the street lights behind them. The guy had his arm in the air and I thought he was still trying to flag down help. Upon closer inspection, I could see the guy had a handgun in his hand. About this time a tractor-trailer passes the guy, west bound, and he dropped his arm and shot at the semi. After the semi passed, he shot another round into the pavement. He turned around and saw my truck and here he came across the median. Ahhh S++T!
I throw the truck into reverse and hit the gas pedal. The rear wheels were just spinning in the wet grass. I reach up and hit the four wheel drive button with the tach sitting at about 5,000 RPM's. Life's expensive, transmissions are cheap, right?**The guy crossed over to my lane and now he is shooting at me. I hit my high beams and put more distance between us. I retrieve my Colt Officer's model 1911 from under the seat and my Surefire light and redial 911. The operator says, "It has been reported and the guy is trying to flag down traffic" I said, No, he is shooting at traffic! She said, "Oh!, I'll let the officers know!" I said, "Yeah, they like to know that kind of info when responding, goodbye"
The guy had stopped shooting for the time being. I see LEO's come up the west bound ramp and block the west bound lanes. I catch something out of my passenger side mirror and realize it is another LEO. I leave the Colt on the console and step out of my door and turn toward the rear of my truck. Now I am staring down the barrel of a .40 caliber handgun (in those circumstances they look like 55 gallon drums BTW) and a LEO screaming at me to get on the ground. I calmly assure the officer that I am NOT the guy he is looking for but the guy he IS looking for is coming our way and he DOES have a gun. The LEO shines his light on me, sees my ACU's and the light bulb goes on. He invited me to take cover with him, behind my truck. I said, "Wait one" and retrieved my Colt and Surefire from the truck. We were then both behind my truck, drew down on the guy, screaming at him to get on the ground. I could see LEO's crossing the median behind the guy, one with a shotgun and I tell my new partner to watch for crossfire.*
The guy finally proned out and a LEO jumps in the middle of his back and they slap the cuffs on him. No gun can be found. They finally found 9mm shell casings on the west bound lane and then on the east bound lane where he was shooting at me. Finally they found a Browning Hi Power style handgun, shot empty and the slide locked back, in the median. By this time all involved were soaked down to the underwear.**
I sat in the squad car with the LEO that had drew down on me, writing a report while the LEO repeatedly apologized.

Sounds like the LEO did OK. He came into a situation, accessed it, and came to the conclusion you weren't the trouble.

 

[churchmouse]

This guy again?

Yup.

 

[ScouT6a]

Actaeon277, all LEOs involved that night did a good job, from my point of view. I certainly don't fault the officer for drawing down on me. Just glad we got that part sorted out as quickly as we did. LOL I know that my ACU uniform probably sped that part up. Had I been in civilian clothes.....?

 

[warthog]

If grabbing a shotgun as you meet a home intruder is "drawing" then I have both drawn and discharged AND killed in a civilian situation.

Have told the story here in another thread and frankly am not fond of remembering it so I will leave it here.

 

[printcraft]

If grabbing a shotgun as you meet a home intruder is "drawing" then I have both drawn and discharged AND killed in a civilian situation.

Have told the story here in another thread and frankly am not fond of remembering it so I will leave it here.

Your here, he's not, righteous shoot.
You didn't cause the situation.
He chose it by being a criminal.
You have my support as well as probably most on this board.

 

[THE BIG SITT]

Posted my incident in March 2013:

Shooting incident five years ago. (long read)

Five years ago I was on active duty with the Army and my duty station was Indianapolis. It was summer time and I got off duty at 11 pm. I set around and talked with my relief for about 30 minutes and then hit 465 and took it around to I-74. As soon as I hit 74 west bound it started to rain. The farther I went the harder it rained. By the time I made it to Montgomery county it was pouring down. When I crossed over 231 I saw a car in the median facing east, running with the driver's side door open. I figured the driver had hydro planed in the heavy rain so I slowed down to assess the scene. I could not see anyone in the car even though the dome light was on. I called it in to 911. When I passed the vehicle I looked in my side mirror and saw a person staggering around on the shoulder of the west bound lane. I thought the person might have been hurt and trying to flag down help.*
I hit the next turn around and headed back to the scene. I pulled into the edge of the median close to the vehicle and I could see the person with the street lights behind them. The guy had his arm in the air and I thought he was still trying to flag down help. Upon closer inspection, I could see the guy had a handgun in his hand. About this time a tractor-trailer passes the guy, west bound, and he dropped his arm and shot at the semi. After the semi passed, he shot another round into the pavement. He turned around and saw my truck and here he came across the median. Ahhh S++T!
I throw the truck into reverse and hit the gas pedal. The rear wheels were just spinning in the wet grass. I reach up and hit the four wheel drive button with the tach sitting at about 5,000 RPM's. Life's expensive, transmissions are cheap, right?**The guy crossed over to my lane and now he is shooting at me. I hit my high beams and put more distance between us. I retrieve my Colt Officer's model 1911 from under the seat and my Surefire light and redial 911. The operator says, "It has been reported and the guy is trying to flag down traffic" I said, No, he is shooting at traffic! She said, "Oh!, I'll let the officers know!" I said, "Yeah, they like to know that kind of info when responding, goodbye"
The guy had stopped shooting for the time being. I see LEO's come up the west bound ramp and block the west bound lanes. I catch something out of my passenger side mirror and realize it is another LEO. I leave the Colt on the console and step out of my door and turn toward the rear of my truck. Now I am staring down the barrel of a .40 caliber handgun (in those circumstances they look like 55 gallon drums BTW) and a LEO screaming at me to get on the ground. I calmly assure the officer that I am NOT the guy he is looking for but the guy he IS looking for is coming our way and he DOES have a gun. The LEO shines his light on me, sees my ACU's and the light bulb goes on. He invited me to take cover with him, behind my truck. I said, "Wait one" and retrieved my Colt and Surefire from the truck. We were then both behind my truck, drew down on the guy, screaming at him to get on the ground. I could see LEO's crossing the median behind the guy, one with a shotgun and I tell my new partner to watch for crossfire.*
The guy finally proned out and a LEO jumps in the middle of his back and they slap the cuffs on him. No gun can be found. They finally found 9mm shell casings on the west bound lane and then on the east bound lane where he was shooting at me. Finally they found a Browning Hi Power style handgun, shot empty and the slide locked back, in the median. By this time all involved were soaked down to the underwear.**
I sat in the squad car with the LEO that had drew down on me, writing a report while the LEO repeatedly apologized.

Wow that is crazy. Did the LEO have anything to say about you grabbing your gun after he realized you weren't the shooter?

 

[indiucky]

No. My mama told me Don't Take Your Guns To Town

That's weird...My mama told me a pistol is the "Devil's Right Hand"....

[video=youtube;VW5E8noEbn4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VW5E8noEbn4[/video]

 

[OakRiver]

Do you think we satisfied the OP's curiosity?

 

[churchmouse]

Do you think we satisfied the OP's curiosity?

Not sure. He ran off into hiding again.

 

[chezuki]

Not sure. He ran off into hiding again.

How was your lunch and a beer with the OP?

 

[churchmouse]

How was your lunch and a beer with the OP?

Heh-Heh-Heh....do you really think he accepted.

I am on the hook for several burgers and a few beers though.

 

[chezuki]

Heh-Heh-Heh....do you really think he accepted.

I am on the hook for several burgers and a few beers though.

It's cause you're a ****ing ******* and a bully!



No beer for me thanks, but I'll take a burger.

 

[churchmouse]

It's cause you're a ****ing ******* and a bully!



No beer for me thanks, but I'll take a burger.

Your on.

I may be a ****ing Bully and a serious **** head but I feed my friends.

 

[jagee]

It's cause you're a ****ing ******* and a bully!



No beer for me thanks, but I'll take a big ugly burger.

FIFY

 

[chezuki]

FIFY

Now that's a Mod edit!

 

[churchmouse]

New Mods...........

 

[jagee]

Now that's a Mod edit!

 

[88GT]

Drawn a few times, just to be that much more ready to meet the threat. Never actually pointed it at anyone. Which by default pretty much excludes shooting someone. However, that's not to say that there weren't circumstances where I could have. Two, to be exact.

But my poll response will tell you differently.

 

[THE BIG SITT]

If grabbing a shotgun as you meet a home intruder is "drawing" then I have both drawn and discharged AND killed in a civilian situation.

Have told the story here in another thread and frankly am not fond of remembering it so I will leave it here.

Hate to bring it back up, but do you have a link to your previous post? I'd love to read it.

 

[ART338WM]

To be perfectly honest if alone and out of the house, if at all possible I would do everything I could to run away from the threat, of cource if I have family with, running away is no longer a option. I wish to avoid shooting anyone if at all humanly possible, even if I'm 100% within my rights and not charged criminally with anything, the person I shot to stop them from trying to do horrible things to myself or my family or if he's dead his family will I'm almost 99% certain will sue me, a extremely costly consiquence of defending myself or family.