How do you feel about the Tea Party Movement?

[Spot Me 2]

I keep looking and looking, but the only thing I can find about these Tea Parties is that people are complaining about too much spending. I don't see any form of alternative (other than don't spend so much). I sick of listening to people complain with no alternatives proposed.

I have one for you.

Throw them all out of office, and start over!

The constitution gives us the right to do so. The Gov. broke the contract, not us!!

 

[Steelman]

You know why the .gov has gotten away with murder for the last 35 years?


They know that 99% of the citizens can´t organize a bake sale without fecking it up. They also know the 1% that can get the job done can´t rely on the 99% to show up on time or take an order. So you ALL must be 1%ers, right? Never seen so many in one spot before.


Elected representatives. Contact them.

 

[Sailor]

The local 912 group, I am a member of has had some emails in it that would surely get you put on a watch list. Comments crossed the line, and I have distanced myself from it.

 

[Spot Me 2]

Elected representatives. Contact them.

I used to do so daily. Not anymore.

We don't have enough $$$ to get them to listen. They cast their votes from their campain finances. Biggest donor gets the vote. Look into who gave some big donations to the 8 Republicans that just jumped ship on cap & trade. Their votes were bought and paid for!! The system is BROKEN!!!!!!! 99% of them are corrupt and belong in prison for what they do on a daily bases. I will save my breath!

 

[SavageEagle]

OMG. Are some of you people SERIOUS??????? What is this I'm hearing on here? Do you all just want to sit back and wait for them to come take you away and throw you in an interim camp or WHAT???? Some of you talk like it's HOPELESS!!!!! You people have no faith. None whatsoever in this Country at all. You have written off the American people just as the Fed Gov has done. How sad is that? You preach Freedom and Liberty and all the nice things that go with it, but you sit here and say that the movement is useless. I believe I read a few times that "It's like locking the barn after the horses have already ran out". I think you need to take a closer look my friends. Or are you just THAT LAZY????

It's not about just taxes. Yes, taxes are run rampant. Forget about anything anyone says about FairTax.org. It's a crappy idea. Yes I said it. But you tell me how things are suppose to change when you just want to sit back shaking your heads with your eyes shut screaming "NO NO NO NO IT WONT WORK! IT CANT! I CANT HELP YOU CAUSE IT"S USELESS!!!!"??????????

You can sit there and say that this is a useless effort. obamatard can call us IDIOTIC! THAT SHOWS HE FEARS US!!!!!!!!!!!! HHHHEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOO! If he's calling us out by NAME in documents to the Press Secretary, don't you think that's saying something??????? Also, don't you think if it was suppose to be a private note, they would have taken care to not let it leak??

So you will just sit there on your hands and say, nah, I'll wait for something better to come along. Or, I'll just sit here until SHTF and I get to shoot someone. Is that your BEST excuse or is it just laziness? That's right. I'm calling you people out. If you think the Tea Parties are heading in the wrong direction, join us and help lead us. It is grassroots after all. We have no Political Party leading us. Or are you too lazy and complacent to at least TRY and make a difference???? I think that's exactly what it is.

Let me guess. You're sitting there saying "Well, I'm involved in this and this and this, I don't have time for this." Or maybe you're saying "It's a waste of time. They'll never make a difference. Besides, why should I join them? They're doomed to failure anyway, so I'll just sit here while they actually TRY SOMETHING..."

Now seriously people. I haven't seen one thing yet that is a compelling arguement why you SHOULDN'T join up and help us. It's early enough to be molded into a real movement for YOUR rights. That's our goal. Repeal bad laws, repeal bad taxes, repeal bad politicians. How can you NOT support that?

Look, I'm sorry if this hits the wrong nerve with people, but I've been without a computer all weekend, I've been up 36 hours fixing it, I get it running, then I read all this. I'm highly dissappointed in this forum.

You all talk so highly about preserving and fighting for freedom, but when people give you the chance, we're lucky if half of you actually write and send a letter to Washington. Let's stop making excuses and DO something. Or are you just to lazy to DO SOMETHING?


On a side note, the poll, if true says a lot. Unfortunately, I don't recall meeting 37 INGOers at the July 4th Tea Party and I was sticking out like a sore thumb in the rain with my INGO Tact hat on. I met MAYBE 4 people from here, but I certainly increased our membership/view audience by about 30 people while there.

(EDIT: I originally said we didn't have leadership. THis isn't really true. We have a bunch of volunteers that have organized into a committee and many small groups that follow the main body all over the state. But again, we are not affiliated with any political party. We are Dems, Repubs, Liberits, Independents, and everything in between. We have leadership, but it's more responsive to the People than any other organization out there.)

 

[SirRealism]

I keep looking and looking, but the only thing I can find about these Tea Parties is that people are complaining about too much spending. I don't see any form of alternative (other than don't spend so much). I sick of listening to people complain with no alternatives proposed.

Actually, at the 7/4 event, we discussed gov't healthcare, gov't control of media, and gov't ownership of private industry. We had community leaders and experts from those fields discuss the impact of the march toward socialism. They gave specific advice on how we can stop it.

At the 7/4 event, the INTP (less than 4 months old) gave specific details on how iCaucus is getting incumbents out of office, and getting real people -- people from our own neighborhoods who will represent us -- back into those seats. That is a specific action: removing elected officials who have dropped the ball, listened to money, and restricted our liberties. By partnering with iCaucus, we're providing the means for people to get involved and make the kind of change that will help the country.

You have to understand that we have had to do several things at once. We've had to keep our presence up via events, while at the same time putting into place means for real action. It might seem to you that we're just spinning our wheels. That's because we just got started a few months ago. We had our first organizational meeting on 3/24. In those few months since, we've developed an organizational structure from dust, put on two large protests, staged 4 or 5 "flash rallies", all the while planning "what's next". The "what's next" is what you're clamoring for... real action.

Look, I understand why this might seem like a dog and pony show to many. We have events with stages, sound systems, a band, a march, etc. But that's just to keep our presence out there. Yeah, I know, the media don't give a rat's behind. But the fact is, you know that the event happened, and that's what's important in that regard. We just need to keep reminding people that we're not going away. IMO, the fact that Obama calls us idiotic is a good sign.

But we are doing more than just gathering and shouting. We're getting people to those events to give them specific information on how they can get involved in many different ways. I don't want you to come to a TP protest because I believe a march from the Circle to White River is going to change a politician's mind. It won't. I want you to come to a TP event because we need people like you to help in real actions.

Hey, I hope I don't come across as someone who's blindly towing the TP line without considering whether we're having an impact. Even though I've invested a lot of time into making the TPs happen locally, this isn't about my telling you that we have all the answers. It's about asking you to join us and help determine which avenues are worth pursuing.

If you have strong opinions about what will and will not work... then we want you involved.

If you think we're chuckleheads for having marches, then please understand that this is not our main focus. Our main focus is to develop and implement methods to make a change in Congress... to get them back to following the Constitution.

If you think that your time is better spent one-on-one educating fence-sitters on important issues, then come join us so you can instruct others on how effective that form of advocacy is. Seriously. We won't ask you to chant "USA". ;-)

If you feel strongly about making a change in a specific elected official, come meet the iCaucus representatives and learn how they effectively ousted an incumbent.

We seek volunteers who can share their expertise, share their vision, and help us steer.

It's clear from the responses here on INGO that we're not yet reaching people to let them know our purpose. We'll definitely try to do better in that regard. To help us out, will you go to our site http://www.INTeaParty.com/ and subscribe? We won't inundate you with email, nor will we share your information. But we would like to make sure that we're communicating better. Or, if you don't want to give your email address, then follow us on twitter. Either way, we need to communicate more effectively.

OK, I'm done. A forum is a poor vehicle for proselytizing. Sorry this is so long.

 

[bigus_D]

OK, I'm done. A forum is a poor vehicle for proselytizing. Sorry this is so long.

This is an excellent post IMHO. No ranting. No calling me stupid for not being involved and not knowing what is all about.

I'll go and register for more information. I want to know specifics about what the complaints are and what politians are being complained about. What is the movement actually trying to change, specifically. Not just, 'the liberal yahoos... we gotta get rid of all of them and start over' I mean, start over with what? How is it going to be any different.

Sounds like there may be some intelligence in this movement somewhere, so hopefully I'll find it. Thanks for the great response SirRealism.

 

[hornadylnl]

OMG. Are some of you people SERIOUS??????? What is this I'm hearing on here? Do you all just want to sit back and wait for them to come take you away and throw you in an interim camp or WHAT???? Some of you talk like it's HOPELESS!!!!! You people have no faith. None whatsoever in this Country at all. You have written off the American people just as the Fed Gov has done. How sad is that? You preach Freedom and Liberty and all the nice things that go with it, but you sit here and say that the movement is useless. I believe I read a few times that "It's like locking the barn after the horses have already ran out". I think you need to take a closer look my friends. Or are you just THAT LAZY????

It's not about just taxes. Yes, taxes are run rampant. Forget about anything anyone says about FairTax.org. It's a crappy idea. Yes I said it. But you tell me how things are suppose to change when you just want to sit back shaking your heads with your eyes shut screaming "NO NO NO NO IT WONT WORK! IT CANT! I CANT HELP YOU CAUSE IT"S USELESS!!!!"??????????

You can sit there and say that this is a useless effort. obamatard can call us IDIOTIC! THAT SHOWS HE FEARS US!!!!!!!!!!!! HHHHEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOO! If he's calling us out by NAME in documents to the Press Secretary, don't you think that's saying something??????? Also, don't you think if it was suppose to be a private note, they would have taken care to not let it leak??

So you will just sit there on your hands and say, nah, I'll wait for something better to come along. Or, I'll just sit here until SHTF and I get to shoot someone. Is that your BEST excuse or is it just laziness? That's right. I'm calling you people out. If you think the Tea Parties are heading in the wrong direction, join us and help lead us. It is grassroots after all. We have no REAL leadership. Or are you too lazy and complacent to at least TRY and make a difference???? I think that's exactly what it is.

Let me guess. You're sitting there saying "Well, I'm involved in this and this and this, I don't have time for this." Or maybe you're saying "It's a waste of time. They'll never make a difference. Besides, why should I join them? They're doomed to failure anyway, so I'll just sit here while they actually TRY SOMETHING..."

Now seriously people. I haven't seen one thing yet that is a compelling arguement why you SHOULDN'T join up and help us. It's early enough to be molded into a real movement for YOUR rights. That's our goal. Repeal bad laws, repeal bad taxes, repeal bad politicians. How can you NOT support that?

Look, I'm sorry if this hits the wrong nerve with people, but I've been without a computer all weekend, I've been up 36 hours fixing it, I get it running, then I read all this. I'm highly dissappointed in this forum.

You all talk so highly about preserving and fighting for freedom, but when people give you the chance, we're lucky if half of you actually write and send a letter to Washington. Let's stop making excuses and DO something. Or are you just to lazy to DO SOMETHING?


On a side note, the poll, if true says a lot. Unfortunately, I don't recall meeting 37 INGOers at the July 4th Tea Party and I was sticking out like a sore thumb in the rain with my INGO Tact hat on. I met MAYBE 4 people from here, but I certainly increased our membership/view audience by about 30 people while there.

I'll answer your insult in kind. I respect the fact that you are involved with the tea party but you might want to get your own house in order before you go insulting others. You'd have a little more credibility on the issue of freedom if you weren't infringing on others right to property by using the force of government to get us to pay your grocery bill.

 

[SavageEagle]

I edited my last post. Please see first the edit.

I'll answer your insult in kind. I respect the fact that you are involved with the tea party but you might want to get your own house in order before you go insulting others. You'd have a little more credibility on the issue of freedom if you weren't infringing on others right to property by using the force of government to get us to pay your grocery bill.

How did I know. You have no right to critizise me like this and I will not let you derail this thread over your own hatred and despise for me or anyone else.

This very mentality quoted above is the very mentality that has destroyed this Country thus far. This is the very mentality that we are fighting against. I am only insulting those who would do nothing but critizise others for trying SOMETHING. If that post I made above insulted anyone, maybe you should ask yourself why you were insulted by the post.

Again, I will not let this important discussion be derailed by name calling and petty bickering. Grow up.

 

[SirRealism]

This is an excellent post IMHO. No ranting. No calling me stupid for not being involved and not knowing what is all about.

I edited that stuff out just before posting. jk. I did take out a few "If you had been there with us on 7/4, you would have known..."

This stuff is all happening so fast. It's really difficult to plan actionable, effective responses to our losses of liberty, while at the same time trying to get the message out. We are learning as we go. But we have a group of very dedicated and very talented people.

In a couple days, when we've had more time to recuperate and dry off, I'll post more info here on everything that's happening. I'll try to limit it to short, bullet-point synopsis and leave it to you to follow up via the web/twitter/meetup, etc. (BTW, yes we are working on folding our communications efforts (facebook, meetup) into the new site. But that takes time.)

 

[hornadylnl]

I edited my last post. Please see first the edit.



How did I know. You have no right to critizise me like this and I will not let you derail this thread over your own hatred and despise for me or anyone else.

This very mentality quoted above is the very mentality that has destroyed this Country thus far. This is the very mentality that we are fighting against. I am only insulting those who would do nothing but critizise others for trying SOMETHING. If that post I made above insulted anyone, maybe you should ask yourself why you were insulted by the post.

Again, I will not let this important discussion be derailed by name calling and petty bickering. Grow up.

My post was not an attempt to derail this thread. I've been to 3 tea parties myself. I just didn't go to any this past weekend. I and I'm sure others take offense to being called lazy. The reason I mentioned what I did is for any movement to have any hope of achieving a goal, it must have credibility. If you are going to be the face of the movement, you must have credibility.

 

[Joe Williams]

I was getting interested in the whole Tea Party concept. Then I read the post, and the agreements with it, that said I wasn't worthy of exercising the rights of being an American citizen because for the past year it's been best for my family to rent a home instead of owning.

That advocacy of elitism and tyranny is a threat to the Constitution, not a way back to it. So, now I'm wondering if the Tea Party concept is really just another way for a different group of people to oppress others?

 

[hornadylnl]

I was getting interested in the whole Tea Party concept. Then I read the post, and the agreements with it, that said I wasn't worthy of exercising the rights of being an American citizen because for the past year it's been best for my family to rent a home instead of owning.

That advocacy of elitism and tyranny is a threat to the Constitution, not a way back to it. So, now I'm wondering if the Tea Party concept is really just another way for a different group of people to oppress others?

I would assume you are referencing a post I made earlier. The reason I mentioned being a landowner to vote is because our founding fathers thought it necessary. In no way do I believe that all renters are deadbeats and uninformed. What solution do you propose to make people be informed before they vote? Have you seen the video in the other thread where people couldn't answer what month or day the 9/11 attacks were made? 9/11 was in the question.

Every election cycle, we hear complaints about turning out the vote and not enough people getting involved. The vote is already watered down with the idiots on the aforementioned video, I don't want to add more. If you don't have the gumption to get informed, go to the bmv and register, and show up to the poll on your own, I don't want ACORN going door to door and dragging people to the voting booth.

 

[SirRealism]

I was getting interested in the whole Tea Party concept. Then I read the post, and the agreements with it, that said I wasn't worthy of exercising the rights of being an American citizen because for the past year it's been best for my family to rent a home instead of owning.

That advocacy of elitism and tyranny is a threat to the Constitution, not a way back to it. So, now I'm wondering if the Tea Party concept is really just another way for a different group of people to oppress others?

Joe, you have to understand how frustrating it is to hear that something I'm involved in would suggest something so counter to what we're about.

Which TP post said you weren't worthy? Please provide details. Was it on the meetup site?

I'll reserve further comment on this until I can see what you're referring to. You seem like a stand-up guy when I met you, and so I know you're not making it up. But there has been so much crap flying around lately due to the confusion over who and what TP actually are. (Thus my comment about the difficult decision on whether our local efforts should remain part of the TP or branch.)

The negative posts I've seen lately here on INGO speak to the need to distance ourselves (or at least make the distinction) from whatever other entities might be acting in inappropriate ways.

 

[Walter Zoomie]

I support the Tea Parties, but I get the feeling there's too few of us anymore to change things.

I'm afraid the majority of folks in this country prefer to have the government tell them what to do and hand them everything they think they need.

I've pretty much come to the conclusion that all I can do is vote for the lesser of two evils at election time, take care of and protect my little corner of the world the best I can, and run it as I see fit.

 

[SavageEagle]

My post was not an attempt to derail this thread. I've been to 3 tea parties myself. I just didn't go to any this past weekend. I and I'm sure others take offense to being called lazy. The reason I mentioned what I did is for any movement to have any hope of achieving a goal, it must have credibility. If you are going to be the face of the movement, you must have credibility.

First, I've not heard that you were at any Tea Party. Good if you've been to one. Second, again, if my post insulted you because I said lazy, maybe you should ask yourself why you were so offended? If you have a guilty conscience maybe? Or maybe you feel guilty that you COULDN"T come? If it's the latter then I will apologize because maybe you had no other choice but to NOT come. Maybe you had a family thing out of state. Even then, there was sure to be some in the state you visited. They were all over this state.

As for your remarks about me getting food stamps, that doesn't bother me a bit. At least I've had jobs, I've PAID into the system, and I'm not some low life who's never had a job and doesn't want to work. I'm a very hard worker and I WANT a job. If that makes me a bad person then that makes everyone on this board without a job a bad person.

I have plenty of credibility. Just maybe not in your eyes. Regardless...

If the fact that one insignificant person who has bad cred in your eyes will deter you from helping an organization of many like-minded (to you) people, you have far greater issues than anyone can really help you with. You just have to help yourself first. I'm just involved with this group. I'm not the main person by any stretch of the imagination.

At least I have the balls to be open about my life when far too many people are scared to do so.

 

[jeremy]

Personally I think only someone with a vetted interest in the country should be allowed a vote. Whether that is a return to only land owners having a vote. Or some other choice as in Veteran Status. I do not have the answers, but there needs to be an intelligent vote base. Not this uninformed quagmire. The mob mentality is what always destroys the great nations of history.

On the same lines I feel the same for politicians. I feel it should be a requirement to serve in a political office to be Veteran. I also feel that politicians should all have term limits allowed for total time in elected positions.

 

[Archaic_Entity]

I apologize for not reading the entire thread prior to posting. However, I will just put my personal thoughts out there for you.

Do I agree with the movement? Yes.
Do I agree with the necessity of change in America? Yes
Do I feel like it will change what needs to change? No.

The problem is this is not a small colony of 13. This is a large, slothful nation of 50. The people are too many that do not care. For every one of you, there are ten thousand of them. It's not a possible battle yet. Yet.

There will be a wake up call, hopefully, and people will understand the necessity your message. My message. Our message is the same. Do I go to rallies that are snuffed by the press? Do I wear my political affiliation on my sleeve? No, I don't. But do I engage in conversation, discussion, or exercise my freedoms? Yes. You ask people who know me, they know what I stand for. You ask me something, I will tell you.

Right now, though, you are an extremist. I don't mean that as a slander, but that is what the government views you as. You are a political extremist and will be handled as such until this nation wakes up. Your method is one of many. People know you, you're that guy with the 'Don't Tread on Me' bumper sticker, shirt, flags. Vocal and proud of your opinions. That can stir others to the cause, and that is good. It is good to be prideful and vocal. But it can also deter earnest conversation by those who might be swayed.

I am just a person with an opinion. The government doesn't flag me as crazy extremist. I'm just average Joe. But I can talk to those people who don't care, or care but not enough. Those people that were persuaded to vote for something without reason, and perhaps get them thinking.

I applaud the fact that you are there from the beginning. And when the revolution, peaceful preferably, occurs in 2012 and someone new was voted in and the reason is because of all the public outcry. You can be the man that says you were there for it all. I will simply be the man that did my little part in my little part.

 

[SavageEagle]

Personally I think only someone with a vetted interest in the country should be allowed a vote. Whether that is a return to only land owners having a vote. Or some other choice as in Veteran Status. I do not have the answers, but there needs to be an intelligent vote base. Not this uninformed quagmire. The mob mentality is what always destroys the great nations of history.

On the same lines I feel the same for politicians. I feel it should be a requirement to serve in a political office to be Veteran. I also feel that politicians should all have term limits allowed for total time in elected positions.

I agree with term limits. I can also agree with politicians should be veterans or business owners. With limitations of course.

What I feel very strongly against is restricting other's right to vote. What you described above sounds more like 16th Century Europe. Dictators and evil arose and reigned because of this very philosophy. It's the ultimate power grab from the people and I sorely hope you rethink your position on this and study a little more history on the very concept.

 

[44 MAGNUM SHOOTER]

I say we throw all the Liberals overboard and drink the tea. tee hee