Homeless man shot to death by police while “illegally camping” in NM foothills

[Bunnykid68]

Kirk, what would happen if I shot a guy with 2 knives in the back 4-5 times?

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Why not use the bag gun or dog first? It's not like it wasn't an option.

When faced with deadly weapons there is no requirement to use less than lethal first.

Boyd had the last clear chance to avoid being shot by not assaulting the officers.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Kirk, what would happen if I shot a guy with 2 knives in the back 4-5 times?

Depends.

If you had reasonable fear of serious bodily injury or death to yourself or others or you believe that the person would continue to be a threat to others, then it is self-defense.

Do we have an ME's report yet? Do we know Boyd was shot in the back, or do you just think that because it was suggested on INGO?

 

[Kutnupe14]

Well, APD killed again. More hearts and minds being won every day. The chief is a permanent fixture behind a podium explaining away all the bloodshed.

APD chief provides details on latest officer-involved shooting | ABQJournal Online



“They tried to say that he shot at them? They’re full of it. I saw the whole thing. He was no threat whatsoever,” -- witness

“It is the chief of police who is lying,” she said in tears. “How could the chief of police lie like that?”

Is this the one where the guy pulled a gun on two teenaged girls, and when police arrived, he came out of his home with a gun?

 

[nater30/30]

For their sake, I hope having NM's legal justification to light-up a schizophrenic bum with a pocket knife will work for them on Judgement Day.

 

[Bunnykid68]

Depends.

If you had reasonable fear of serious bodily injury or death to yourself or others or you believe that the person would continue to be a threat to others, then it is self-defense.

Do we have an ME's report yet? Do we know Boyd was shot in the back, or do you just think that because it was suggested on INGO?

No because it looks like he was turned away from them bending over when they opened fire

 

[Kirk Freeman]

No because it looks like he was turned away from them bending over when they opened fire

Could be but could be because of lag time too. I don't know.

Wait for the ME's report to determine.

 

[mrjarrell]

Looks like the DoJ is getting involved. Again. This out of control department has had 36 shootings since 2010. 22 of them fatal. Sounds like they need their toys taken away from them.

Department of Justice to meet with groups after foothills shooting | KOB.com

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Looks like the DoJ is getting involved.

Not just meeting, but investigating: DOJ sends officers' names to criminal division in Boyd shooting | New Mexico News - KOAT Home

 

[Kutnupe14]

Looks like the DoJ is getting involved. Again. This out of control department has had 36 shootings since 2010. 22 of them fatal. Sounds like they need their toys taken away from them.

Department of Justice to meet with groups after foothills shooting | KOB.com

How many were controversial?

 

[rambone]

It bears repeating:

I’ve been sitting here thinking back on my LEO career and I came up with maybe a half-dozen situations where I could have used deadly force and gotten away with it.

But I didn’t do it. It wasn’t my job to GET AWAY with killing people. My job was to kill people only if it was absolutely necessary.

 

[Kutnupe14]

That's a good outlook to have... And it's there not a LEO on here that can't say the same. However none of us are members of APD, nor had to make the decisions those officers had to make in choosing to use the force needed to protect themselves. If you contention is that APD has a culture of intentionally wanting to shoot people if they can justify it, well based on the number shootings they've had over the years, there must be 3 or 4 officers, department wide.

 

[rambone]

That's a good outlook to have... And it's there not a LEO on here that can't say the same. However none of us are members of APD, nor had to make the decisions those officers had to make in choosing to use the force needed to protect themselves. If you contention is that APD has a culture of intentionally wanting to shoot people if they can justify it, well based on the number shootings they've had over the years, there must be 3 or 4 officers, department wide.

I'm sure there are a lot more than 3-4 cops doing the shooting in Albuquerque. What are the common bonds? Training, and supervision. We know that the department shamelessly hires disgraced criminal cops, and then lies about not giving them badges and guns. We see the chief justifying every use of force that happens on his watch. We already know that cadets out there are trained with a "warrior mentality" and simultaneously deeply paranoid of death.

 

[Rookie]

Could be but could be because of lag time too. I don't know.

Wait for the ME's report to determine.

Don't need a silly report. Just need a judge to say its okay.

 

[KG1]

The reasonable man standard does not involve fictional television shows from the '80s.

C'mon Kirk. WWTJHD (What Would TJHooker Do?)

 

[Kirk Freeman]

C'mon Kirk. WWTJHD (What Would TJHooker Do?)

Run into traffic and then grab the bonnet of the car?

 

[churchmouse]

 

[lucky4034]

When faced with deadly weapons there is no requirement to use less than lethal first.

You didn't answer the question... you legally defended the actions. He didn't ask if he had a legal right to pull the trigger...

 

[lucky4034]

Do these guys shoot at their own shadows?

I guess we can expect this trend to gain more and more momentum if we define acceptable behavior based on whats currently "legally allowable". Had this happened in 1776... the townspeople would have burned this cops house to the ground.

 

[Rookie]

You didn't answer the question... you legally defended the actions. He didn't ask if he had a legal right to pull the trigger...

And you're surprised?