No ranches or bird sanctuaries being close by, I heard a rumor that Kirk is growing a beard and gathering his Lafayette "Volunteers" to take the drive to Eagle Creek and engage in a standoff along side any and all freedom lovers who will join him.
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Hogsett Administration is Closing Eagle Creek Pistol Range in Indy
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No ranches or bird sanctuaries being close by, I heard a rumor that Kirk is growing a beard and gathering his Lafayette "Volunteers" to take the drive to Eagle Creek and engage in a standoff along side any and all freedom lovers who will join him.
Do they have a tank they can send in after him?
eldirector
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So, they have been out of compliance for years. What is the penalty? Seems to be "not a thing". They can be out of compliance, even shut it down, and there isn't much recourse. They can maybe, eventually, find some other property to stick a playground on, and call it good? In the meantime, they get to keep all that grant money, but maybe not get more (from the LWCF)? They even get to keep the grant-funded property as-is for their own internal use, but keep the public out of it?
I'm in the wrong business! Need to get me one of these grants.
I'm in the wrong business! Need to get me one of these grants.
His billable hours will certainly take a hit for this. But some sacrifices are worth it.
Kirk Freeman
Grandmaster
Dude, I wouldn't even grow a beard for Adrianna Lima . . . well, I'd think about it.
I don't need to "occupy" the westside of Indianapolis. My family has been occupying High School Road since dad came back from USAF radio school in 1963.
In theory the government could fine or somehow try to collect the value of the land from the grant recipient. Because the majority of the recipients are city and county governments, I've never heard of that happening. Being blacklisted from future LWCF funds is generally what happens. You can imagine the political storm it would create if the feds came in and started demanding funds. In general, conversions are handled properly by recipients, this case is rare. Many conversions aren't even done on purpose, some of these grants were handed out in the 60s and 70s and managers that currently run the park don't even realize there are restrictions on the property. When they find out they do their best to comply. The DNR does it's best to inspect the LWCF recipient properties every 5 years to make sure they are still being used for recreation.
halfmileharry
Grandmaster
I almost bought today's newspaper. I went to Kroger for my mother and saw today's Headline. "Closed to the Public"
Does this refer to the Eagle Creek Range closing?
I did NOT read the rag but I hope the city gets ragged on for this one.
Oh, I don't use the range btw. For transparency of course.
Does this refer to the Eagle Creek Range closing?
I did NOT read the rag but I hope the city gets ragged on for this one.
Oh, I don't use the range btw. For transparency of course.
searpinski
Expert
Oh please, sure you would. You would also let her eat crackers in bed.
He currently planning an even named: "Occupy Adrianna Lima"....well, if not planning, thinking about it.
searpinski
Expert
If only the news story was "Top Model Adriana Lima Divorces Husband Due to His Refusal to Follow the Four Rules," then maybe Kirk would have a chance. Only time will tell.
Didn't know who she was.
She says anyone below 6 foot 7 is just a friend. How many INGOers are above 6 ft 7?
She says anyone below 6 foot 7 is just a friend. How many INGOers are above 6 ft 7?
Width doesn't count.
ask her, not me
Although I'm not convinced that anyone is telling the full story and I don't like the manner in which the closing was done, the article in the in the Indy Star said that annual public usage of the range had fallen from around 5000 visits a few years ago to 700-800 now. If that's accurate, then I can see some logic in making it LEO-only. I guess I'm not the only person who has been going elsewhere to shoot.
While I'll miss ECPR, the numbers tell the story. I still have 4 visits left on my discount card. 
As someone who oversees recreation properties, I can see why they would shut it down. I know it has not been easy for TFT working with IMPD and the Parks.
The bad part about this was the way it was shut down. TFT should have been allowed to finish out their contract or there should have been an open discussion about options in the light of low attendance.
As someone who oversees recreation properties, I can see why they would shut it down. I know it has not been easy for TFT working with IMPD and the Parks.
The bad part about this was the way it was shut down. TFT should have been allowed to finish out their contract or there should have been an open discussion about options in the light of low attendance.
Besides weekends, when was it been open to the public before? Between our pistol/shotguns in-services 2 times a year (2 shifts a day,day and evening), patrol rifle in-service 1 to 2 times a year and each recruit class requires 9 weeks of the ranges' undivided attention. Then add new patrol rifle schools that are 1 week each and I can hardly get in there to practice when the range is not in use, let alone the public...outside of week ends. Then we have to provide in-services to all our reserves and those take a few weekends a year since they all have full time regular jobs during the week. The schedule has nothing to do with the Mayor closing it to the public, just throwing it out there that weekend public use will be as good as it gets, if it returns.
eldirector
Grandmaster
Which is why ECPR has been in violation of their agreement with the LWCF since the beginning. It sounds like IndyParks (well, IndyGov) never intended to use the LWCF grant properly. The only repercussions are a stern "Tsk, Tsk" and locking out the public.
Honestly, I really don't care where LE practices and such. They are welcome to use public ranges. Just not close them for their own convenience, when the money used to build them was intended for PUBLIC use.
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