Haley 2024?

[Ingomike]

Politicians themselves need to keep their legs closed, or peckers in their pants. Never know when it's a Chinese operative who can overlook a farting mark.

Yep, fang fang can leave a mark…

 

[KG1]

 

[KG1]

I think I read that her husband is Methodist. She was a Sikh before she ran for SC governor. She converted to Christianity. But it's unknown whether her change was legitimate, convenient because of her husband, or because being a politician in the South requires a bit more lip service to Christianity.

But in terms of making a vow to God, almost no one getting married today thinks of it as that. Likewise, when they break their wedding vows, they don't think of it as breaking a vow to God, if even they think of God when they do it. I strongly suspect she didn't give a **** about marriage vows, or her husband. That's the part that's problematic for me.

Politicians themselves need to keep their legs closed, or peckers in their pants. Never know when it's a Chinese operative who can overlook a farting mark.

I guess the concept of 'Holy Matrimony" is a thing of the past for a lot of people now nor should it be a perquisite to be wed.

 

[Tombs]

The point is that infidelity has an underlying cause. It's a character flaw. It's not like he's perfect, but for that one weakness for fake boobs and a horse faces. It's evidence of deeper character issues. And not that he was merely unfaithful to his wife, but that his larger than life, "grab them by the *****" personality could get away with doing what he pleased to others, regardless of how it might hurt them. Damn straight that's going to affect what he does in office, when he feels like he's above rules, even to break vows.

And, you're changing the standard here. We're now talking about whether his character affects just policy. I say it does, because character determines how you think about things. But it's more. I should have challenged that it's only policy that matters.

Let's say Trump, with all his character proclivities to **** horse face porn stars while his wife is pregnant, has 100% best policies. But, because of the character issues underlying his infidelity, he fails to implement them. Not saying that ****ing porn stars is what caused his failures. It's the underlying character.

He had two years of GOP leadership in both Houses. Trumpers talk a lot about how hard his enemies worked against him, and they're right. No one breathing has ever seen a President treated like Trump was. But, Trump helped that out by his own behavior.

The narcissistic **** the porn stars, grab them by their *****, entitled attitude, is but one indicator of deeper flaws, but it's one of the behaviors that makes it so easy to straw man him. Enemies don't need as much straw to make people believe it. His behavior helped Democrats create an environment that made it hard for Republicans to ally with him, to help him with his legislative agenda. Republicans distanced themselves, for fear they'd lose their own elections. Yes, part of the problem was feckless, spineless chamber-o-commerce neocons. Still.

So yeah, I believe character matters. And I'm holding my nose in November, unless they find a way to take him out.

What specific policy do you believe this character flaw caused to be implemented?

I believe it's important to put these concerns to the test.

 

[BugI02]

It's amazing what we're now willing to overlook when just a generation ago... well the ad is for cigarettes.



I don't understand - we're fighting for supposedly Christians values and for a Christian country, but our chosen leader is one of the the most un-Christ-like individuals...


Welcome to post-Christian America, where everything is politicized, and the eternal victory has been replaced by the short term political victory.

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David should have been impeached

After all, why leave judgement to God when men are so much better at judging dispassionately, eh?

 

[jamil]

What specific policy do you believe this character flaw caused to be implemented?

I believe it's important to put these concerns to the test.

That's ridiculous. You pick something impossible to prove which isn't even necessary to make the claims I'm making.

Policies aren't the ultimate goal. Obviously. Look where the policies got us now? The only ones remaining are some of the things Trump did that weren't so good. He failed legislatively. The only legislation he got were tax breaks, and even those were temporary. I've already explained how poor character affects one's ability to get things done.

 

[jamil]

It's amazing what we're now willing to overlook when just a generation ago... well the ad is for cigarettes.



I don't understand - we're fighting for supposedly Christians values and for a Christian country, but our chosen leader is one of the the most un-Christ-like individuals...


Welcome to post-Christian America, where everything is politicized, and the eternal victory has been replaced by the short term political victory.

I'll grant that it was a more Christian nation when the moral majority was in charge. Not so much outside of that.

 

[jamil]

You keep using that word, but ...

Hypocrisy refers to advocating behaviors that one does not practice. Please do tell me which of my vows to God I have broken? I'll wait

As I mentioned before, I'm not foolish enough to believe I can control anyone's behavior but my own - and you might remember, I said I wasn't hiring him to be my pastor or my friend, I'm hiring him because he is the best man for the job of beginning to turn this country around (again)

Not exactly true. Hypocrisy is a subset of lie. A smoker, believing that it's bad to smoke, isn't a hypocrite for failing to quit. In that case he advocates behaviors that he does not practice. Now if a person goes around judging people for smoking, but sneaks around smoking, that person is a liar of the hypocrite variety.

It's not being a hypocrite to condemn Haley while supporting Trump unless your position is dishonest. To be hypocrisy, it has to be dishonest, otherwise, at most it's just inconsistent.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

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David should have been impeached

After all, why leave judgement to God when men are so much better at judging dispassionately, eh?

David repented.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

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[Tombs]

That's ridiculous. You pick something impossible to prove which isn't even necessary to make the claims I'm making.

Policies aren't the ultimate goal. Obviously. Look where the policies got us now? The only ones remaining are some of the things Trump did that weren't so good. He failed legislatively. The only legislation he got were tax breaks, and even those were temporary. I've already explained how poor character affects one's ability to get things done.

Proving it may be impossible, but that doesn't mean you can't BELIEVE it influenced a specific policy.

An example of this is that I don't BELIEVE DeSantis is as effective as claimed, because his campaign was so poorly executed. That's demonstrating a reason for that belief.

 

[jamil]

Proving it may be impossible, but that doesn't mean you can't BELIEVE it influenced a specific policy.

An example of this is that I don't BELIEVE DeSantis is as effective as claimed, because his campaign was so poorly executed. That's demonstrating a reason for that belief.

I don't know what the importance of this angle you're pursuing. My belief is that Trump's character has influenced his behavior. His behavior has thwarted his own success. A belief that Trump's infidelity has impacted a specific policy is not anything I intended to convey.

 

[BugI02]

David repented.

Would you then seek to play Nathan's role?

 

[KG1]

You keep using that word, but ...

Hypocrisy refers to advocating behaviors that one does not practice. Please do tell me which of my vows to God I have broken? I'll wait

Okay now just seeing this original post. I saw that you mentioned something in the other thread about it. Exactly where did I say you were breaking any of your vows to God? I'll wait....

Okay I'm done waiting. I believe the hypocrisy I was originally referring to was condemning Haley while giving Trump a pass because he can deliver what you want.

Anything else I can clear up for you?

 

[KG1]

Not exactly true. Hypocrisy is a subset of lie. A smoker, believing that it's bad to smoke, isn't a hypocrite for failing to quit. In that case he advocates behaviors that he does not practice. Now if a person goes around judging people for smoking, but sneaks around smoking, that person is a liar of the hypocrite variety.

It's not being a hypocrite to condemn Haley while supporting Trump unless your position is dishonest. To be hypocrisy, it has to be dishonest, otherwise, at most it's just inconsistent.

Okay now after reading jamil's post it was probably a misapplication of the term hypocrisy. What I should have said is that I was pointing out an inconsistency.

Rest assured @BugI02 I have no reason to believe that you have broken any solemn promise to God. My apologies for the confusion.

 

[jamil]

Okay now just seeing this original post. I saw that you mentioned something in the other thread about it. Exactly where did I say you were breaking any of your vows to God? I'll wait....

Okay I'm done waiting. I believe the hypocrisy I was originally referring to was condemning Haley while giving Trump a pass because he can deliver what you want.

Anything else I can clear up for you?

My contention is that it’s not hypocrisy. It would be hypocrisy if he were lying about believing that breaking the covenant with god is important to him. So if he’s claiming that one shouldn’t support any candidates who break a covenant with god, but supports Trump, he would be a hypocrite.

But, I don’t think he’s saying that. Looks to me like both candidates broke the marriage covenant. So that’s a wash anyway. One can hold the view that it’s not a sin to vote for a sinner for public office, and be consistent. Not that hypocrisy is a synonym of inconsistency.

 

[Ziggidy]

Listen to all these righteous people! I have yet to meet a perfect human and that includes everyone on INGO; YET, God will gladly use every single on here if you let Him!

 

[KG1]

My contention is that it’s not hypocrisy. It would be hypocrisy if he were lying about believing that breaking the covenant with god is important to him. So if he’s claiming that one shouldn’t support any candidates who break a covenant with god, but supports Trump, he would be a hypocrite.

But, I don’t think he’s saying that. Looks to me like both candidates broke the marriage covenant. So that’s a wash anyway. One can hold the view that it’s not a sin to vote for a sinner for public office, and be consistent. Not that hypocrisy is a synonym of inconsistency.

Yeah I understand all of that.

Anyway the most important thing was to clear up a misunderstanding and try to make things square with Bug about what I had intended instead of what he perceived. It was my fault and I apologized.

 

[jamil]

Yeah I understand all of that.

Anyway the most important thing was to clear up a misunderstanding and to make things square with Bug about what I had intended instead of what he perceived. It was my fault and I apologized.

Yeah. As is my custom, I post as I read through a thread. So I didn’t see your other post.

 

[KG1]

Listen to all these righteous people! I have yet to meet a perfect human and that includes everyone on INGO; YET, God will gladly use every single one here if you let Him!

"God said, I need somebody willing to get up before dawn, fix this country, work all day, fight the Marxists, eat supper, then go to the Oval Office, and stay past midnight at a meeting of the state, so God made Trump,"

God chose me to vote for Trump.