Gr666mer Updates

[Cameramonkey]

The only actual, large problem with this in the US is the clergy.

Wrong. You forgot Scout/youth leaders and teachers. They too have a significantly higher propensity than other professions.

But of course those groups are dwarfed by family members like creepy uncles.

 

[jamil]

If you are so afraid that "gender ideology" can convert people, it must be because you believe that you can convert kids, meaning you think they could go either way and it just depends on the training. In other words, you think the bodies are different, but the brains are identical and they just need the right software put in them. I think this stems from the fact that vocal homophobes are often same sex attracted and they are making a big show to cover it up, and they figure most people are like them. Otherwise it wouldn't matter.

Must be? You think those are the only two options? This some pretty bad logic here, a false dichotomy.

Identity is both nature and nurture. You can override some instincts to a point. But there is plenty of research that demonstrates that boys tend to do boy things, and girls tend to do girl things, from the earliest age, factoring out nurture as a cause.

Since that's a tendency, it's not a hard and fast rule, so adults could brainwash some kids to identify as whatever.

I think a question needs asked. Do you know what is meant by the term "gender ideology"?

 

[JEBland]

The only actual, large problem with this in the US is the clergy.



If you are so afraid that "gender ideology" can convert people, it must be because you believe that you can convert kids, meaning you think they could go either way and it just depends on the training. In other words, you think the bodies are different, but the brains are identical and they just need the right software put in them. I think this stems from the fact that vocal homophobes are often same sex attracted and they are making a big show to cover it up, and they figure most people are like them. Otherwise it wouldn't matter.

I could talk to someone all day about the joy of Brussels sprouts, but if you don't like them, you can't be talked into it.

I think you missed the point. It's about being ostracized AND while already facing a road harder than most people can imagine. Most people can't take that.


When I hear "gender ideologue" I take it that the person saying has no idea what they are talking about and it just parroting some dumb talking points. The only "gender ideology" I know of is people trying not be oppressed because they run afoul of people with 1950's levels of scientific understanding.

It seems like if you understood what I wrote about identity, you would understand that "transracialism" doesn't have a basis in science.


Knee-jerk? That just seems like a failed insult and I'm not really sure what you're saying.



Again, this is dumb. There is not a "social mission" outside of don't get tortured and legislated into the stone age by uneducated zealots.

Nobody is trying to subvert family structure. Nobody is "brainwashing" children to "convert them". Schools SHOULD protect children who are being abused. It should be a crime to prevent children getting medical care. I can't really point out directly the source of this demonization of a group of people, but we all know who it is. It's always the same crowd. The same crowd that kept YOUR marriage illegal during my lifetime until they were made to stop.

We have no polite way to interact. We don't agree on facts, what medicine is, logical conclusions, or the proper role of government.

 

[buckwacker]

The only actual, large problem with this in the US is the clergy.



If you are so afraid that "gender ideology" can convert people, it must be because you believe that you can convert kids, meaning you think they could go either way and it just depends on the training. In other words, you think the bodies are different, but the brains are identical and they just need the right software put in them. I think this stems from the fact that vocal homophobes are often same sex attracted and they are making a big show to cover it up, and they figure most people are like them. Otherwise it wouldn't matter.

I could talk to someone all day about the joy of Brussels sprouts, but if you don't like them, you can't be talked into it.

I think you missed the point. It's about being ostracized AND while already facing a road harder than most people can imagine. Most people can't take that.


When I hear "gender ideologue" I take it that the person saying has no idea what they are talking about and it just parroting some dumb talking points. The only "gender ideology" I know of is people trying not be oppressed because they run afoul of people with 1950's levels of scientific understanding.

It seems like if you understood what I wrote about identity, you would understand that "transracialism" doesn't have a basis in science.


Knee-jerk? That just seems like a failed insult and I'm not really sure what you're saying.



Again, this is dumb. There is not a "social mission" outside of don't get tortured and legislated into the stone age by uneducated zealots.

Nobody is trying to subvert family structure. Nobody is "brainwashing" children to "convert them". Schools SHOULD protect children who are being abused. It should be a crime to prevent children getting medical care. I can't really point out directly the source of this demonization of a group of people, but we all know who it is. It's always the same crowd. The same crowd that kept YOUR marriage illegal during my lifetime until they were made to stop.

This is one hellacious combination of delusion and narcissism.

 

[planedriver]

I’m sure this is going to ruffle some feathers, but here we go:

Defund the bloated “we need another new building” school systems entirely
Provide no cost student transportation to and from school within a given, reasonable distance
Eliminate the teachers unions
Provide education vouchers to parents for use at non regulated schools of choice

Soon enough like minded parents will form groups to plan, organize and staff a central facility. There are plenty of teachers who would jump ship instantly to practice their craft without the constraints they are currently saddled with. With a growing vacancy rate of commercial property, a satisfactory rental building for the school shouldn’t present a problem. Smaller groups might prefer a hybrid home school arrangement. Extracurricular activities would be left to the parents to sort out. The need for other schools to compete shouldn’t be any more complicated than a few phone calls and a calendar.

Most importantly, parents decide the curriculum beyond the 3rs. Teachers could be selected based on ability, moral character, and other factors similar to the private sector but again the parents set the bar.

Fire away but ponder the concept.

 

[Ingomike]

The only actual, large problem with this in the US is the clergy.

Are you just trying to start it?

Nobody is trying to subvert family structure. Nobody is "brainwashing" children to "convert them". Schools SHOULD protect children who are being abused. It should be a crime to prevent children getting medical care. I can't really point out directly the source of this demonization of a group of people, but we all know who it is. It's always the same crowd. The same crowd that kept YOUR marriage illegal during my lifetime until they were made to stop.

Hundreds of examples posted in this very thread but you deny it.

The only "gender ideology" I know of is people trying not be oppressed because they run afoul of people with 1950's levels of scientific understanding.

You are sooo enlightened…

 

[jamil]

We have no polite way to interact. We don't agree on facts, what medicine is, logical conclusions, or the proper role of government.

Welp. I guess he just "ignored" the last person he didn't have on his ignore list. How he gonna INGO now?

 

[JEBland]

Welp. I guess he just "ignored" the last person he didn't have on his ignore list. How he gonna INGO now?

Not much lost.

 

[Ingomike]

Not much lost.

I cannot understand how they led these people to this point? Communists wouldn’t espouse his points twenty years ago…

 

[jamil]

I cannot understand how they led these people to this point? Communists wouldn’t espouse his points twenty years ago…

Mind virus.

 

[actaeon277]

Derka
Derka

 

[Tombs]

The only actual, large problem with this in the US is the clergy.



If you are so afraid that "gender ideology" can convert people, it must be because you believe that you can convert kids, meaning you think they could go either way and it just depends on the training. In other words, you think the bodies are different, but the brains are identical and they just need the right software put in them. I think this stems from the fact that vocal homophobes are often same sex attracted and they are making a big show to cover it up, and they figure most people are like them. Otherwise it wouldn't matter.

I could talk to someone all day about the joy of Brussels sprouts, but if you don't like them, you can't be talked into it.

I think you missed the point. It's about being ostracized AND while already facing a road harder than most people can imagine. Most people can't take that.


When I hear "gender ideologue" I take it that the person saying has no idea what they are talking about and it just parroting some dumb talking points. The only "gender ideology" I know of is people trying not be oppressed because they run afoul of people with 1950's levels of scientific understanding.

It seems like if you understood what I wrote about identity, you would understand that "transracialism" doesn't have a basis in science.


Knee-jerk? That just seems like a failed insult and I'm not really sure what you're saying.



Again, this is dumb. There is not a "social mission" outside of don't get tortured and legislated into the stone age by uneducated zealots.

Nobody is trying to subvert family structure. Nobody is "brainwashing" children to "convert them". Schools SHOULD protect children who are being abused. It should be a crime to prevent children getting medical care. I can't really point out directly the source of this demonization of a group of people, but we all know who it is. It's always the same crowd. The same crowd that kept YOUR marriage illegal during my lifetime until they were made to stop.

Answer me this simple question:

If a minor can consent to life changing surgery, what else can they consent to?

 

[jamil]

Answer me this simple question:

If a minor can consent to life changing surgery, what else can they consent to?

Uh. Sex with Pedo Pete?

 

[JEBland]

I cannot understand how they led these people to this point? Communists wouldn’t espouse his points twenty years ago…

My suspicion is that this movement is largely in part to social media (see e.g. the work of Jonathan Haidt). There have been communists for a long long time (now calling themselves collectivists since community sounded too selfish I guess...) The reality is, of course, that communism/socialism (different in name but not implementation) is really for the bourgeoisie class. I can rant on about it, but since this isn't the "what's wrong with communism" thread, I'll stop here. But first, one last note. Economic and social Marxism aren't totally disconnected - once the 1930s came around and it was obvious that Marxism couldn't work as an economic theory, it then shifted towards a cultural revolution. Fast forward that along with some pseudo-science like an individual's truth, and we get this current trend.

The LR;DR read version is this: People like slogans that make them feel good even when those slogans don't describe reality. Believing those slogans leads to an increasingly vacuous positions.

 

[actaeon277]

Nah, doesn't happen here

 

[actaeon277]

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Nah, doesn't happen here

They fear the rainbow jihad because the Christians are too afraid to come off not being nice. There will be many in that community that will condemn this pastor for “not being a good witness”.

 

[Cameramonkey]

Welp. I guess he just "ignored" the last person he didn't have on his ignore list. How he gonna INGO now?

Nah, doesn't happen here

In my experience, don’t waste your breath on referencing God. These heathens don’t care about your God.

He might as well have been condemning them for not keeping kosher or Halal. They don’t care.

 

[Shadow01]

I’m sure this is going to ruffle some feathers, but here we go:

Defund the bloated “we need another new building” school systems entirely
Provide no cost student transportation to and from school within a given, reasonable distance
Eliminate the teachers unions
Provide education vouchers to parents for use at non regulated schools of choice

Soon enough like minded parents will form groups to plan, organize and staff a central facility. There are plenty of teachers who would jump ship instantly to practice their craft without the constraints they are currently saddled with. With a growing vacancy rate of commercial property, a satisfactory rental building for the school shouldn’t present a problem. Smaller groups might prefer a hybrid home school arrangement. Extracurricular activities would be left to the parents to sort out. The need for other schools to compete shouldn’t be any more complicated than a few phone calls and a calendar.

Most importantly, parents decide the curriculum beyond the 3rs. Teachers could be selected based on ability, moral character, and other factors similar to the private sector but again the parents set the bar.

Fire away but ponder the concept.

Parents can bankrupt public schools by pulling their children out and voting against any tax increase for local schools.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Provide no cost student transportation

No such thing. Someone is paying for it. And it's already provided, but very few kids are using it, at least where I am. I see a parade of nearly empty buses every day from the grade school (same one I went to) a few blocks away, followed by a parade of mini-vans and SUVs of parents not using the buses. I have to time getting my mail or else I'll be standing at the end of my driveway for 5 minutes waiting for the traffic to clear. I say eliminate transportation altogether. Or maybe get down to 1 or 2 buses per school.