Go It Alone United Kingdom!

[steveh_131]

So, here's a question: are there some things that we shouldn't put to a referendum?

Here in Indiana, the law changed a few years ago that required a referendum for certain tax increases (but not "fee" increases). There've been mixed results.

For instance, if there was a proposal to require all book stores to give every patron a free beer on Tuesday, would that be something properly put to a referendum? Or, more near and dear to INGOtarian's hearts, what about legalization of marijuana?

I would probably support referendums for anything that increases the size, scope, or cost of government. One more check on government expansion couldn't hurt.

 

[jamil]

I would probably support referendums for anything that increases the size, scope, or cost of government. One more check on government expansion couldn't hurt.

That could work. A citizens' veto if you will. Law makers have to pass it to get it on the ballot. Can you imagine the how hard the press would push?

 

[T.Lex]

I would probably support referendums for anything that increases the size, scope, or cost of government. One more check on government expansion couldn't hurt.

Conceptually, we already do - vote for new representatives who won't pass things we don't like. And, for the record, that is probably a good idea.

But that paradigm would've left the Brexit vote without a referendum. Arguably, leaving the EU will decrease the size, scope, and cost of gov't.

 

[steveh_131]

Conceptually, we already do - vote for new representatives who won't pass things we don't like. And, for the record, that is probably a good idea.

But that paradigm would've left the Brexit vote without a referendum. Arguably, leaving the EU will decrease the size, scope, and cost of gov't.

True.

It would be tough to define anyways. There are big disagreements on what increases or decreases the scope of government. Perhaps anything that raises taxes, increases budgets, adds new scope to a department, adds a new department, gives a new authority to a department, etc.

 

[T.Lex]

Having seen this in Carmel, I would add "introduces fees payable by citizens for government services."

#stormwaterfees
#totallydifferentfromtaxes

It would really hedge against incrementalism. Doesn't matter how small the increase, it would take an expensive referendum, which might not go the way the politicians expect.

 

[pudly]

Hmmm... And the EU was always sold as an economic union. Now they apparently are being explicit about taking over legal and military power as well. Shockingly, the people don't have much of a say in the bait-n-switch.

EU has plans for ‘giant superstate’ just days after Britain voted Brexit

 

[indiucky]

I'm reading on twitter the Remains are already pushing a petition to have the Parliament vote for a do-over. Yes, a second referendum. How typical. Keep voting until we get the "correct" answer, then freeze things in place.

Gore tried that in Florida....

 

[Tombs]

Wow, look how awful it has been for the UK compared to Germany.

I bet the UK SERIOUSLY regrets their vote now!

 

[miguel]

Farage: "You're not laughing now, are you?"

[video=youtube;ayojl7Op37A]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayojl7Op37A[/video]

 

[Woobie]

Farage: "You're not laughing now, are you?"

[video=youtube;ayojl7Op37A]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayojl7Op37A[/video]

Lol! "I know most of you have never held a proper job."

That got the crowd fired up.

 

[pudly]

Interesting commentary from Nigel Farage:

[video=youtube_share;PfKKKpmv7Ps]http://youtu.be/PfKKKpmv7Ps[/video]

 

[Alamo]

This is my favorite:

 

[pudly]

I wish I could say that this is parody, but he is perfectly serious:

It's Time for the Elites to Rise Up Against the Ignorant Masses | Foreign Policy

In an age when the "ignorant masses" have more access to information and more ammunition with which to question authority, the authorities are unhappy. Counterpoint:

Anti-Intellectualism remains in the eye of the beholder « Hot Air

 

[actaeon277]

I wish I could say that this is parody, but he is perfectly serious:

It's Time for the Elites to Rise Up Against the Ignorant Masses | Foreign Policy

In an age when the "ignorant masses" have more access to information and more ammunition with which to question authority, the authorities are unhappy. Counterpoint:

Anti-Intellectualism remains in the eye of the beholder « Hot Air

Maybe he should ask the elites how that worked out during the French Revolution.

 

[Twangbanger]

The World has waited five days for a substantive response to Brexit from Thomas Friedman, the Globalist "Mustache of Understanding:"

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/29/opinion/you-break-it-you-own-it.html?ref=opinion&_r=1


...I guess the World will just have to keep waiting.

 

[Woobie]

The World has waited five days for a substantive response to Brexit from Thomas Friedman, the Globalist "Mustache of Understanding:"

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/29/opinion/you-break-it-you-own-it.html?ref=opinion&_r=1


...I guess the World will just have to keep waiting.

Man I love to see the globalists squirm and rage. Makes me feel good. Happy Independence Day, Mr. Friedman!

 

[Twangbanger]

Man I love to see the globalists squirm and rage. Makes me feel good. Happy Independence Day, Mr. Friedman!

What's that term The Mustache likes to use so much..."Creative Destruction," n'est-ce pas? Or something like that.

Funny, isn't it, how it's "Creative Destruction" when it's other people's livelihoods on the block...but a catastrophe when some bunch of bureaucrats gets their revenue stream crimped?

I, however, must admit to a certain amount of schadenfreude at seeing the Globalists' Most Favored Mouthpiece on the subject of Free Markets, Thomas Friedman, reduced to wailing that they won't work right without a byzantine bureaucracy to oversee them.

So Bottoms Up, and a pint down the hatch, Mr. Friedman! Here's to a "flattened," smoked-up, choked-up, burned-up EU.

And, here's hoping the Forces of Darkness point their Panzers onward toward Holland...

 

[87iroc]

Looks like the UK may have been front running the Krauts' plan for a Großeuropa: EU referendum: German and French to unveil European superstate blueprint post-Brexit | Politics | News | Daily Express

France surrenedered to Germany before the fighting even started this time...they have become more efficient in the last 70 yrs.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Looks like the UK may have been front running the Krauts' plan for a Großeuropa: EU referendum: German and French to unveil European superstate blueprint post-Brexit | Politics | News | Daily Express

Doesn't that defeat one of the main reasons the UK sought to leave the EU, security and immigration? No offense to France, but I've held the belief, and it may be wrong, that there are numerous dormant terror cells on their soil.
I'm not quite sold this "plan" is the gospel, solely for that reason.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Maybe he should ask the elites how that worked out during the French Revolution.

We all know about the successful revolutions, because they were successful. But comparatively, the "elites" have traditionally mopped the floor of the masses. In modern times, I think such an overt act by govt could not be successfully resisted, except in a handful of places... and, being a member of this site, I'm sure you know why.