Getting tired...

[Shadow8088]

Tired of the labels... "those damn liberals!" or some form of this statement shows up in every single political post. Guess what, I'm a liberal. Voted for Obama, I think unions are a good thing (to a point), I'm pro-choice, and goddammit, I love my guns. Guess I'm also a pinko, commie, baby-killer.. You don't have to like my politics, nor do I have to like yours, but the incessant need to label those that don't share your views with a perceived derogatory term does very little to help your cause.

We're here because we enjoy firearms of all shapes and sizes, ones that make big bangs, and ones that are as quiet as a whisper, and pretty much anything that will accurately throw lead downrange and give you that little thrill when you feel the recoil. You can express what you like and don't like about the way our government is run. Hell, I'm not a fan of how things have been going myself, but you don't hear me or any other closet democrats, that happen to love guns as much as you, lurking around the forums throwing out "conservative" with as much disdain as I hear "liberal".

I might take crap for this post. In fact, I'm positive I will, but ya know what, I had to get it off my chest. /rantoff

 

[Classic]

You must be proud to be part of the party that has the AWB as a plank in their platform. Or did you even read the party platform before voting? You are one of the folks helping the government in an effort to take our rights away.

Sorry I don't have anything mean to say or crap to write about you, I am sorry for you.

 

[Mackey]

Does it bother you that it's those in your camp that ultimately want to relieve us of our weapons? Just askin.

And you say it doesn't help our cause to label something or someone liberal? Who are you trying to fool.??

No, I think those in your camp would love for us to just keep our mouths shut, and just try to get along, while Obama and his ilk go about "changing" this country.

Sorry, there's a fight for the hearts and minds of our fellow countrymen and we're not going to sit by and watch those on the left destroy our country.

No offense intended to you personally, but I hope your liberal buddies fail.

 

[shooter521]

My only question is how you reconcile, in your own mind, voting for those who would seek to rob you of the freedom to enjoy that which you claim to love?

 

[Mackey]

My only question is how you reconcile, in your own mind, voting for those who would seek to rob you of the freedom to enjoy that which you claim to love?

Exactly.
OP are you sure that you're not here just to cause trouble?

 

[rockhopper46038]

No worries. We're all here for the enjoyment of firearms. It is an unfortunate fact that most folks (and almost all of the leadership) on the Left are vocally for stripping us of our right to keep and bear arms.

And yes, the monolithic Right unfortunately has their own ideas on which freedoms they would prefer to curtail, but by and large firearms aren't one of them. Since this is a firearms board, primarily concerned with enjoying those firearms rights, "those damn Liberals" are going to take most of the beatings. If this were a same sex marriage board, I suspect there would be lots of postings about "those damn Conservatives"; even if not every Conservative gives a whit about who someone else wants to marry.

 

[Shadow8088]

let me see... Dianne Feinstein got her panties in a bunch about guns period. Some wingnut took semi-auto rifle and gunned down kids which kicked this whole thing off. Considering how much the media ran with the whole "assault weapons" and plastered those kids pictures over the airwaves 24/7, how could you NOT expect a response. Even now, the teeth of the supposed AWB are gone.. they KNOW they won't get the ban through both house and senate. What you're looking at is at most a UBC and magazine limits.. just something to shut the frenzied public up.. and since most of you already OWN mags that hold more than 10 rounds, what are you crying about? Sure, voice your opinions, write your congressmen (I did it through the Ruger site) and protest! by God, I never said you shouldn't. (by the way, you should write down what YOU think liberal means, and then go look it up and be amazed that your definition doesn't match.)

 

[rockhopper46038]

What you're looking at is at most a UBC and magazine limits.. just something to shut the frenzied public up.. and since most of you already OWN mags that hold more than 10 rounds, what are you crying about?

And this is where you lose me. This isn't about what I may or may not already possess. This is about a desire by Feinstein to dismantle the Constitution, and using the actions of a criminal to try and criminalize lawful activities.

 

[Cerberus]

I know what liberal means, and know the root of the word as well. Unfortunately the modern democrat party has hijacked the word to describe themselves when there is nothing liberal about them. That being said it is they who stole the term, and yes as far as I can say, they are damned.

Since you are proud of helping destroy this nation and proudly a member of the party that wishes to disarm us, I honestly do hope they show up at your home to take yours first. I won't come help you out. I'll choose those who consider true freedom a priority to waste my time and possibly my life for.

 

[gunowner930]

Tired of the labels... "those damn liberals!" or some form of this statement shows up in every single political post. Guess what, I'm a liberal. Voted for Obama, I think unions are a good thing (to a point), I'm pro-choice, and goddammit, I love my guns. Guess I'm also a pinko, commie, baby-killer.. You don't have to like my politics, nor do I have to like yours, but the incessant need to label those that don't share your views with a perceived derogatory term does very little to help your cause.

We're here because we enjoy firearms of all shapes and sizes, ones that make big bangs, and ones that are as quiet as a whisper, and pretty much anything that will accurately throw lead downrange and give you that little thrill when you feel the recoil. You can express what you like and don't like about the way our government is run. Hell, I'm not a fan of how things have been going myself, but you don't hear me or any other closet democrats, that happen to love guns as much as you, lurking around the forums throwing out "conservative" with as much disdain as I hear "liberal".

I might take crap for this post. In fact, I'm positive I will, but ya know what, I had to get it off my chest. /rantoff

You care for 2nd Amendment Rights and voted for Obama? This is the same man who has always stated his support for an AWB. This is the same man who has stated that he supported a ban on all handguns as a state senator in Illinois. This is the same man whose administration oversaw Fast and Furious. This is the same man who blocked the importation of surplus M1 Garands from South Korea for no apparent reason. This is the same man who created new laws for reporting multiple long gun purchases in border states by executive fiat, even after Fast an Furious blew up in his face. This is the same man behind all of the current hysteria and propaganda regarding a new AWB.

I can understand having some political views that align you with the Democratic Party, but I cannot understand or fathom how you could give two ****s about 2nd Amendment Rights and vote for him. If/when we get new draconian gun bans, you can look right in the mirror and blame yourself. Maybe you should start a new organization called Cows for the Promotion of Cheeseburger Consumption.

 

[rockhopper46038]

I don't think he ever stated he cared for 2nd Amendment rights. He said he "loves his guns". He may just think of them as a hobby, or somesuch.

 

[Shadow8088]

Dianne Feinstein CAN'T dismantle the constitution.. she can't. I'm not sure what you're missing. The AWB went through in '94 by ONE vote... and that was a completely different political environment... With the entire "gun owner" party, which is basically what we've become, especially the rural areas where much of the voting republican party resides, the push back against ANYTHING restricting our rights regarding firearms has been quick and VERY strong. The senators and representative presiding over those sates and districts know that if they screw over their base, this will be their last stint in office. Youve got voices, use em.

 

[gunowner930]

let me see... Dianne Feinstein got her panties in a bunch about guns period. Some wingnut took semi-auto rifle and gunned down kids which kicked this whole thing off. Considering how much the media ran with the whole "assault weapons" and plastered those kids pictures over the airwaves 24/7, how could you NOT expect a response. Even now, the teeth of the supposed AWB are gone.. they KNOW they won't get the ban through both house and senate. What you're looking at is at most a UBC and magazine limits.. just something to shut the frenzied public up.. and since most of you already OWN mags that hold more than 10 rounds, what are you crying about? Sure, voice your opinions, write your congressmen (I did it through the Ruger site) and protest! by God, I never said you shouldn't. (by the way, you should write down what YOU think liberal means, and then go look it up and be amazed that your definition doesn't match.)

I'm well aware of what the word liberal means. As someone with many libertarian views, the word represents or at least has historically represented those who believe in limited government and individual rights, this is the opposite of what passes for a modern "liberal." That is why there is a distinction between a "liberal" and a "classical liberal." A classical liberal is somebody like Ron Paul, whereas a modern liberal is somebody like Dianne Fein swine.

"What you're looking at is at most a UBC and magazine limits." -Shadow8088

Yeah that's no big deal.... Just a few more minor infringements on the 2nd Amendment right????

 

[Shadow8088]

Cerb, no offense buddy, but I don't NEED your help... Both I and my wife are armed. and the only record that officially states that I own a firearm was the NICS that went through for the Mosin I bought. I'm not worried.

 

[gunowner930]

Shadow8088- Let's keep this simple. You voted for Obama. How do you defend his putrid 2nd Amendment record, and why did you vote for him given your assertion that you care for 2nd Amendment Rights?

 

[buckstopshere]

If you agree with BHOs politics, you are a socialist. Stop whining, embrace the dark side you've aligned with.

 

[Shadow8088]

while I get the slippery slope bit, a background check for a gun purchase and a magazine size limit doesn't infringe your right to bear arms. You get to keep your guns, and shoot them... if you've done something that would disqualify you from owning a firearm, I could understand the background check issue..

 

[Shadow8088]

I voted for Obama because the alternative was unfathomable.... Mitt Romney is a worthless elitist piece of **** and I wouldn't **** on the best part of him if he was on fire. See, I get to have an opinion too. Yay freedom.

 

[Libertarian01]

To All,

I believe the OP does bring up a very good point. Not everyone who belongs to a certain group follows all of that groups agenda.

I am very much socially liberal. For this I mean that I do NOT want the government telling anyone how to live their lives. For me being liberal means supporting as much freedom and liberty as possible while still living in a peaceful society.

For those who think all groups are the same, take a look at a fellow INGOer's experience with a "gun owner."

https://www.indianagunowners.com/forums/general_firearms_discussion/266125-discussion_with_a_gun_owner.html

Apparently not all gun owners think alike...

Or, if you truly support the 2nd Amendment and voted for President George W Bush how on earth do you reconcile supporting a gun grabber???

http://www.ontheissues.org/celeb/george_w__bush_gun_control.htm

Folks, we tend to see what we want to see. By President Bushs words he was for almost the same things as President Obama is today, yet we tend to think of them as very different on a subject that just ain't so.

Let us not forget that there are many "Blue Steel" Democrats who support gun rights as much as any "Right Wing" Republican, maybe moreso than a moderate Republican.

By labeling the "other side" in any disagreement we get to shove them into a compartment of pure simplicity. This allows us to dehumanize them and justifies a simplistic view of different people with opposing viewpoints. This is a lazy way to deal with complex issues, because in the end I do believe that left wing Democrats and right wing Republicans want the same end goals: For no more innocent blood to be spilled by crazy/disturbed/evil/vile people. What we argue about are the methods and priorities on how to get there.

We do not want to push away people that agree with us on this issue who may disagree with us on other issues. If preserving our right to keep and bear arms means that someone who actually likes unions and ideas we don't agree with: FINE. We can argue over THOSE issues, but on this one come together strong, united and powerful keeping our national priorities of freedom and liberty at the top of the agenda.

In the end none of us agrees with any group we belong to 100%. That is the grace of being human - our simple diversity and uniqueness.

Regards,

Doug

 

[joale]

The politicians with the 'liberal' label are the ones that are fighting the hardest to disregard the Constitution. The media, which is very pro-liberal, intentionally misleads the ignorant public in a way that benefits their causes...especially on gun issues.