Four Minneapolis officers fired after death of black man part II

[Kutnupe14]

The set of everything is a pretty big set to keep tabs on.

I apparently think there are far less of those types of people than you do. Interesting.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Would you be surprised I have no real negative opinion of black nationalism or white nationalism.

I have heard of people who think this. Again, I disagree. Both schools of thought are flawed. I have negative views of both.

 

[gregr]

I remember a time when the term "Negro" was acceptable as in "United Negro Collage Fund" until it wasn't. I don't think anyone here is genuinely looking to offend anyone. Case in point the mention of the word "Maroon" is supposedly an offensive slur that a lot of people weren't even aware of until it was pointed out by someone, unnecessarily IMO, because it was never intended to be used a such.

SOME are ALWAYS looking to be offended and ALWAYS will find SOMETHING to be offended about.

 

[jamil]

One believe white people are superior, flat out.
The other wants to advance white interests in a world that seeks to do everything possible to subvert it.

They're pretty different things to me.

The definitions are different enough that they don't mean the same things, but I'd wager they're both attributes common to WS or WN.

 

[JCSR]

SOME are ALWAYS looking to be offended and ALWAYS will find SOMETHING to be offended about.

 

[jamil]

Would you be surprised I have no real negative opinion of black nationalism or white nationalism.
Everyone wants their interests served, nothing wrong with it.

There's really no advantage to having a nation comprised of exactly one race. In terms of compatibility it's the culture and belief system that tend to make groups of people clash.

 

[Kutnupe14]

SOME are ALWAYS looking to be offended and ALWAYS will find SOMETHING to be offended about.

Facts!

 

[jamil]

I apparently think there are far less of those types of people than you do. Interesting.

I don't think you understand. I wasn't referring to types of people. I was referring to the set of everything that is considered racist. I mean, you look at all the symbols ADL says are racist and it's just about too much to track.

 

[BugI02]

I use them interchangeably. I see no difference. None.

Demonstrations over the weekend in Charlottesville, Virginia, that resulted in violence and death were described in news reports in different ways. Some called one group of demonstrators “white nationalists.” Others call that same group “white supremacists.” Some used both terms in the same article.
Those terms mean two different things, though they are in the same family.

A “supremacist” believes a particular race (or sex, or other genetic or cultural characteristic) is naturally superior to others. Because you must know what the characteristic is that is believed to be “supreme,” an adjective has to be attached. Thus there are “white supremacists"

A “nationalist,” though, is at heart merely someone who strongly believes in the interest of one’s own nation, however “nation” might be defined. But adding an adjective to indicate what “their” nation is can turn “nationalism” into a polarizing term. A “white nationalist” generally wants a nation of white people.

 

[JCSR]

There's really no advantage to having a nation comprised of exactly one race. In terms of compatibility it's the culture and belief system that tend to make groups of people clash.

I agree. My everyday interactions with all races has always been positive. There is a very few that F it up for everybody.

 

[Kutnupe14]

I still see no difference Bug.

 

[BugI02]

I don't think you understand. I wasn't referring to types of people. I was referring to the set of everything that is considered racist. I mean, you look at all the symbols ADL says are racist and it's just about too much to track.

{all things considered racist} ∩ {all things} == {all things}

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Would you be surprised I have no real negative opinion of black nationalism or white nationalism.
Everyone wants their interests served, nothing wrong with it.

I prefer just plain ol' "nationalist". I want America to be the first priority for Americans. That's why I liked and supported Trump. I don't want America to be "different" for this group or that group. I want everyone to have the same opportunity. Whether or not they choose to take advantage of that opportunity is of no concern to me.

 

[BugI02]

I still see no difference Bug.

White supremacist believes in racial superiority but lacks territorial ambitions

The other does not necessarily believe in racial superiority but wishes to have a white 'homeland' so does have territorial ambitions

There is likely some degree of overlap between the two groups

 

[Kutnupe14]

White supremacist believes in racial superiority but lacks territorial ambitions

The other does not necessarily believe in racial superiority but wishes to have a white 'homeland' so does have territorial ambitions

There is likely some degree of overlap between the two groups

Why do WNs want a White "homeland?" The answer to that question explains why I see there being no difference between the two. Trying to be clever and finding "alternative" reasons is intellectually dishonest. We all know why.

 

[HoughMade]

I agree. My everyday interactions with all races has always been positive. There is a very few that F it up for everybody.

I see all this racial angst in a very few places, with a very few people. Even last summer, if we take a step back and look not at the legitimate protests, but at the rioting and violence- it was a very few people. The academics and media who buy fully into Critical Race Theory- very few people, regardless of the picture that the major media wants to paint.

The people of different ethnicities and "races" that I interact with on a daily basis including my friends, colleagues, fellow church members, etc.,- there is no tension or angst between us based upon such "differences". I sense that it is the same for most people. I don't buy the hype. We're all just out here trying to live our lives, take care of our families, make a living, be good people to the extent we can. We shouldn't let the worst examples of any group color (hah!) our perspectives.

To co-opt a hippy slogan from the '60s: What if they gave a race war and nobody came?

 

[BugI02]

White nationalists want a homeland for the same reason black nationalists do. They see the 'other' as unfixable and seek to seperate themselves from the problems they perceive them to be responsible for

 

[Kutnupe14]

White nationalists want a homeland for the same reason black nationalists do. They see the 'other' as unfixable and seek to seperate themselves from the problems they perceive them to be responsible for

...and WN isn't WS? I'm trying to wrap my head around what you just said, and you not realizing "what".... you just said.

 

[JettaKnight]

Seems akin to the argument, "Are we a democracy or a republic."

 

[IndyDave1776]

Why do WNs want a White "homeland?" The answer to that question explains why I see there being no difference between the two. Trying to be clever and finding "alternative" reasons is intellectually dishonest. We all know why.

Should I understand this to work toward a distinction between a White Nationalist and a nationalist who so happens to be white?