Four Minneapolis officers fired after death of black man part II

[Chewie]

France 1789?

American Colonies 1776?

Were those revolutions brought on by the "wealthy educated classes"? Not every good or bad new government is brought into power by the wealthy and educated.


Wait - WTF does this have to do with Floyd and Chauvin?!

Boy there sure are a lot of squirrels getting chased in this thread! Doh!

 

[Kutnupe14]

Boy there sure are a lot of squirrels getting chased in this thread! Doh!

Its obvious it's not history books, and they don't even have legs!

 

[nonobaddog]

Boy there sure are a lot of squirrels getting chased in this thread! Doh!

 

[buckwacker]

I didn't say LEOs shouldn't sit on juries. My entire argument, is that we don't craft juries based on the identity of the defendant/victim; outside of jury selection made by attorneys. A jury pool should be made up of legal citizens from that particular jurisdiction. Full stop.

The last part of the below post sounds an awful lot like leos shouldn't sit on a jury if the cop is a defendant.

LEOs, in most places are exempted from jury duty. But let’s say there were. Where would those LEOs come from? A LEO that somehow didn’t know about a local police action shooting, and hadn’t formed an opinion.
Further, if a “peer,” is going to be considered someone in the same occupation, why (realistically) wouldnt that peer be more sympathetic, than they should, thinking that “hey I might face this charge too one day?”

 

[Kutnupe14]

The last part of the below post sounds an awful lot like leos shouldn't sit on a jury if the cop is a defendant.

The first sentence. "Exempted." Not the same as "excluded."

 

[jamil]

BTW, I usually give you a like or two a day. LOL

I know. Much appreciated. I thought you were complaining that we weren't staying on topic. Sorry about that.

 

[jamil]

Actually I just responded to a conversation from yesterday, that you started. Actually started as my response to something you said.

Come on, this in INGO, you know this is par for the course.

Eh. I was just being an *******.

 

[buckwacker]

The first sentence. "Exempted." Not the same as "excluded."

What does being exempted have to do with the second paragraph in your post?

 

[jamil]

Many of the founding fathers were educated and wealthy...

You beat me to it. The founders were mostly the wealthy educated class, or people with ties to the wealthy educated class.

 

[KG1]

You beat me to it. The founders were mostly the wealthy educated class, or people with ties to the wealthy educated class.

I don't belong to either of those classes.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Boy there sure are a lot of squirrels getting chased in this thread! Doh!

Squirrel? Cutlets or stew meat?

 

[IndyDave1776]

You beat me to it. The founders were mostly the wealthy educated class, or people with ties to the wealthy educated class.

By contrast, the French Revolution of 1789 was a product of the middle class.

 

[buckwacker]

By contrast, the French Revolution of 1789 was a product of the middle class.

Well, the American middle class would still be considered educated, especially today. Although educated could be defined loosely.

 

[nonobaddog]

Well, the American middle class would still be considered educated, especially today. Although educated could be defined loosely.

As time goes by that definition is getting looser and looser.

 

[kickbacked]

"I did not want to go through rioting and destruction again and I was concerned about people coming to my house if they were not happy with the verdict."

Just ignore the fact that she was an alternate i guess.

 

[BugI02]

LEOs, in most places are exempted from jury duty. But let’s say there were. Where would those LEOs come from? A LEO that somehow didn’t know about a local police action shooting, and hadn’t formed an opinion.
Further, if a “peer,” is going to be considered someone in the same occupation, why (realistically) wouldnt that peer be more sympathetic, than they should, thinking that “hey I might face this charge too one day?”

Do you seriously think anyone not just awakened from a coma didn't know anything about that shooting or had not formed an opinion? Not just willing to claim that was true, but honest to God really unaware. Objection overruled

Is this INGO story time or something?

 

[BugI02]

Yes, I know some things, but I haven't figured out how to read minds.

Archived for future reference

 

[BugI02]

How is that deflection? I explained it fairly well. You either don't like the answer, or can't understand it. Further, you were clear at all. Yes, I know some things, but I haven't figured out how to read minds. If you had been more upfront with your question, we might have avoided this. So, if I'm getting your question right, you want to know if it would be justifiable to exclude Black people from a jury because the defendant is a White police officer who is accused of committing a crime against a black person?

If your standard is that someone could not be objective merely because they were employed in the same profession as the defendant, then the argument could certainly be made that someone could not be impartial because they shared the same 'lived experience'

If we're going to disregard differences from person to person in a large and varied group, one is no worse than the other

 

[BugI02]

Do you actively seek out the officers if they're not drawn from a pool? And if one of the attorney's attempt to excuse, what then?

Same as if they attempt to excuse for being black? Not allowed, they must articulate an allowable objection

And why not retired LEO to get around the active duty exception

 

[BugI02]

Could you guys start a thread on jury composition please and leave this to news of the case.

WTFWIT, this is INGO... LOL

INGO happens where INGO wants