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[jamil]

Oh hes gonna win. More people support him than dont.

What? Where do you get this idea?

 

[Kutnupe14]

You keep conflating two separate sections of the transcript that has nothing to do with one another.

Once again im referring to the initial request for a favor earlier in the transcript and that’s concerning cooperation with the ongoing investigation by AG Barr and the DOJ about the origins of the Mueller investigation and the Hillary email scandal and the possible interference within the 2016 election by the Ukrainians.

That has nothing to do with the Biden thing.

I’ve already made my opinion known in a previous post about the Biden request and why I don’t feel it rises to the level of an impeachable offense.

We're just going around in circles. Can we just both accept that smarter people, who have been in politics longer than both you and I, agree with both of our stances?

 

[KG1]

We're just going around in circles. Can we just both accept that smarter people, who have been in politics longer than both you and I, agree with both of our stances?

Agree.Thats probably the closest we’re gonna get to a compromise here.

Nothing personal Kut. We both just have different views on this subject and I’ll leave at that.

 

[2A_Tom]

We're just going around in circles. Can we just both accept that smarter people, who have been in politics longer than both you and I, agree with both of our stances?

They say they are smarter.

 

[Brad69]

It doesn’t matter what President Trump did or didn’t do the Democrats are gonna set themselves up for a knockout punch.

The Senate will knock this one out of the park!

When President BHO has to testify what President DJT did or did not do will pale in comparison,

 

[Doug]

Meh.
When Democrats are pressured they don't recall or take the fifth.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Meh.
When Democrats are pressured they don't recall or take the fifth.

Or they can like the Trumpicans do, and simply refuse to show up.

 

[2A_Tom]

Or they can like the Trumpicans do, and simply refuse to show up.

Links.

 

[Tombs]

You wanting to double down TT?
Trump lost the popular vote to Clinton. To CLINTON. The idea that he'd win it over a person who isn't Clinton seems incredibly remote.

He did so with no political record, and apparent incompetence, along with the conspiracy that he'd wreck the economy.

We're now hitting daily records, economically. Most of his campaign promises that congress allowed, were granted.

You really think the average person who doesn't care about the MSM's hysteria is going to be less supportive of him now?
(much less since the entire democrat lineup openly advocates socialism, SJW politics, and gun confiscation)

 

[Kutnupe14]

He did so with no political record, and apparent incompetence, along with the conspiracy that he'd wreck the economy.

We're now hitting daily records, economically. Most of his campaign promises that congress allowed, were granted.

You really think the average person who doesn't care about the MSM's hysteria is going to be less supportive of him now?
(much less since the entire democrat lineup openly advocates socialism, SJW politics, and gun confiscation)

You want in on TT's action? I'm always hungry. I won't say Trump won't be re-elected, but I'm willing to wager that he won't win the popular vote. I don't really think there a many people who voted against Trump, that are willing to vote for him the next go round.

 

[jamil]

We're just going around in circles. Can we just both accept that smarter people, who have been in politics longer than both you and I, agree with both of our stances?

In this case “smarter” is mostly irrelevant. It’s worldview that matters most, and one’s own ability to override the instinctive programming. Bat**** crazy democrats or full Trumper fanboi, and the full spectrum in between have widely varying interpretations of the transcript. That’s fine. That’s instinctive programming. The point where intelligence comes into the picture, that is if one’s personal bias/instincts can be overridden, is discerning that it is subjective, and therefore is a matter voters should decide, and not congress.

People who cannot do that are a greater threat to society than Trump, especially if they are in congress. And yes, delusional voters are a threat to society too.

 

[bobzilla]

What? Where do you get this idea?

I have to admit I’m not sure if he’s right or wrong. What I do know is that most of the people (other than my wife who has become fearless lately) are scared ****less to vocalize their opinion because of the bat**** crazy nevertrumpers. Seriously scared that they will destroy their car, burn their house down or come up with some bull**** to get them canned in their current employer.

When did it become acceptable to do these sorts of things? When did it become acceptable to be a petulant child and throw tantrums when you didn’t get your way?

 

[jamil]

I have to admit I’m not sure if he’s right or wrong. What I do know is that most of the people (other than my wife who has become fearless lately) are scared ****less to vocalize their opinion because of the bat**** crazy nevertrumpers. Seriously scared that they will destroy their car, burn their house down or come up with some bull**** to get them canned in their current employer.

When did it become acceptable to do these sorts of things? When did it become acceptable to be a petulant child and throw tantrums when you didn’t get your way?

It’s not acceptable. Most people, even people on the left, don’t think that’s acceptable. But it seems there’s a wave of activists schooled in the By Any Means Necessary progressive paradigm, who engage in that kind of thing. My SIL, for example, is a lefty. She thinks she’s a moderate. She thinks doxxing is wrong, getting people fired for having a certain worldview is wrong. She denies that there is even a cancel culture. She thinks it’s very rare. She doesn’t do Twitter. Her only social media is Facebook where she posts virtu-signaling bull****, and all her friends on Facebook who are just like her, self righteous elitist lefties, pat her and each other on the back for their great virtue. It’s a circle jerk bubble.

Yet, somehow her generation raised a bunch of David Hoggs and Greta whatsherface. I see the need for people to be afraid. Although I think the BAMN-minded people are relatively few, they’re out there. And we don’t know who they are.

The people I work with and feel comfortable around used to openly discuss politics. We all have widely ranging viewpoints, and I’m probably the most conservative in the group. I just don’t discuss politics anymore because of that fear. It only takes one bat**** crazy BAMN zealot to ruin a career. And who knows who might be around the corner overhearing wrongthink.

Point is, yes there are a lot of us who don’t dare speak our thoughts in open. But there are also a lot of left leaning people who aren’t BAMN-minded. Most peolle I work with think Trump is the worst president ever. I’m pretty sure they really believe that because they were lefties before cancel culture.

Polls don’t agree with TT, and I know there’s a type of Trumper out there that scoffs at polls because Trump won when he wasn’t supposed to. But the polls were within the margin of error. The error just went his way and he won some swing states he was projected to lose. Those narrow margins may represent the silent dissenters. But it’s reasonable to believe they were rank and file working class Bernie voters. 12% of Bernie voters voted for Trump. It’s not a sure thing that the same will happen this time. It’s not a sure thing that Trump will win.

 

[jamil]

In this case “smarter” is mostly irrelevant. It’s worldview that matters most, and one’s own ability to override the instinctive programming. Bat**** crazy democrats or full Trumper fanboi, and the full spectrum in between have widely varying interpretations of the transcript. That’s fine. That’s instinctive programming. The point where intelligence comes into the picture, that is if one’s personal bias/instincts can be overridden, is discerning that it is subjective, and therefore is a matter voters should decide, and not congress.

People who cannot do that are a greater threat to society than Trump, especially if they are in congress. And yes, delusional voters are a threat to society too.

In case the point wasn’t obvious, I’ll say it directly. The fact that the interpretation of the transcript falls exactly across partisan lines in congress, should make obvious to wise people that this is a decision for voters to make and not congress.

 

[KG1]

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In case the point wasn’t obvious, I’ll say it directly. The fact that the interpretation of the transcript falls exactly across partisan lines in congress, should make obvious to wise people that this is a decision for voters to make and not congress.

Impeachment proceedings should only be invoked in the most egregious of cases where there can be no doubt about a majority bipartisan support to proceed.

Otherwise it’s just a political mechanism for potential abuse by the ranking party in Congress to attempt to remove a political rival.

I would even go as far as submitting this as the example in the current situation because elements of the Democrat party have demonstrated an incessant urge to get rid of their political rival (Trump) by any means they can drum up other than at the ballot box from the moment Trump took office. So that right there demonstrates a partisan political bias in this particular impeachment push by the Democrats IMO.

Take for example of what I’m talking about this Rashida Tlib meme “Impeach the M’fer!” That right there demonstrates to me a personal animosity toward a political rival that should’nt be anywhere near associated with a bipartisan impeachment process.

Now if she would run with the campaign of “Vote the M’fer out!” Then decorum aside, have at it.

I would say that same standard should have been applied to the Clinton impeachment as well.

 

[2A_Tom]

It’s not acceptable. Most people, even people on the left, don’t think that’s acceptable.

I will give the same exhortation i gave to Kut.

Links.

 

[BugI02]

Or they can like the Trumpicans do, and simply refuse to show up.

So you're saying Holder is a Trumpican? I did not know

 

[BugI02]

We're just going around in circles. Can we just both accept that smarter people, who have been in politics longer than both you and I, agree with both of our stances?

Gonna have to disagree. You're confusing pedigree with intelligence. Do you think Alpo is smarter than you because of where he went to school? And being in politics longer certainly would only play well on certain types of resume where it would testify to an individuals willingness to play the game or indicate how much ability to influence his former colleagues still in the swamp he might have. Outside of think tanks, K street and dark money hedge funds I think it would be a red flag on a resume, signaling a strong tendency for self dealing and a lack of the practical intelligence necessary to bring something to the table in a technical or engineering field. Tech startups and engineering firms don't need diversity officers or lobbyists until after they become successful. They don't even need a -studies graduate in HR until after they reach a certain level of success. I can't think of a single politician that would last a week in any engineering or consulting firm I've been with. The people who get things done have had a lifetime of practical training recognizing dead weight

 

[Dead Duck]

Hillary is a politician that's been at it for a long time giving her plenty of experience. She must be super smart by now.

 

[BugI02]

In this case “smarter” is mostly irrelevant. It’s worldview that matters most, and one’s own ability to override the instinctive programming. Bat**** crazy democrats or full Trumper fanboi, and the full spectrum in between have widely varying interpretations of the transcript. That’s fine. That’s instinctive programming. The point where intelligence comes into the picture, that is if one’s personal bias/instincts can be overridden, is discerning that it is subjective, and therefore is a matter voters should decide, and not congress.

People who cannot do that are a greater threat to society than Trump, especially if they are in congress. And yes, delusional voters are a threat to society too.

Agreed

"The more political the question, the more appropriate it will be a for a political [rather than a] judicial decision.” - Thomas Bingham, hereditary peer, former Lord Chief Justice