Downtown Indy Riots/damage overnight...

[Hatin Since 87]

Color me skeptical.

Lol, oh come on. You know i wouldn’t have been able to bite my tongue this long.

 

[Keith_Indy]

BTW for those who asked about arrests and charges, I can't find the source, but I read they aren't pursuing charges for non-violent arrests.

 

[Rookie]

BTW for those who asked about arrests and charges, I can't find the source, but I read they aren't pursuing charges for non-violent arrests.

That will teach them!

 

[Keith_Indy]

That will teach them!

Well, people who weren't violent may have just been caught in the wrong place, wrong time, and may or may not have had any intention of becoming violent.

Arrest those causing harm, sentence to the max, that will teach people not to be violent at protests.

 

[Keith_Indy]

https://www.wthr.com/article/indian...g-police-and-protesters-embrace-walk-together

3:00 p.m. - Mayor Joe Hogsett, IMPD Chief Randal Taylor, and members of IMPD command staff discussed the events from Sunday and plans for Monday night.
Mayor Hogsett said that the city will be reviewing the use of force by officers.
"I have serious concerns about some of the interactions between our officers and protesters this weekend," Hogsett said.
He has requested Chief Taylor to submit a revised Use of Force policy in the coming weeks.


Chief Randal Taylor said that they are reviewing a video of an incident where tear gas was deployed on a peaceful protest. He said that happened when officers were encircled by people trying to stop them from arresting a vandal and that it was not intended for the nearby peaceful protest. They are also reviewing a video of an officer using force on a protester.

According to IMPD, protester arrests from over the weekend included people from the following locations:

• 83 - Indianapolis
• 13 - Indiana
• 1 - Out of state
• 15 - Unknown
• 3 - Homeless

IMPD said the Monday night curfew, starting at 8 p.m., will be strictly enforced. Mayor Hogsett said they needed to bring peace to the city.

 

[Hatin Since 87]

Well, people who weren't violent may have just been caught in the wrong place, wrong time, and may or may not have had any intention of becoming violent.

Arrest those causing harm, sentence to the max, that will teach people not to be violent at protests.

I agree. I still love our country, and our rights. Peaceful protestors are fine, and I encourage it. Non-peaceful protestors deserve rubber bullets and pepper spray, and I encourage it.

 

[Brad69]

Man this place is getting funky!

1. Don’t go into a riot area and expect not to get caught up in some s&#$t.

2. Peaceable assemblage is not looting and burning stuff.

3. Normal people do not steal stuff.

4. IMO not many protesters are showing up now we have ANTIFA and BLM which are very close to the same.

5. Please note the unrest is centered around urban areas.

 

[DadSmith]

Ok, so when are you shipping out to Minneapolis? Chicago might be easier to get to, but the gun laws aren't very friendly. Maybe St. Louis?

Obviously you or I are not allowed to enforce the law at this point. Right now its upto the local, state, and federal government to start getting tough. They are the ones allowing the looters and arsonists.
Like I said earlier this is organized insurrection and assault on our country. Anyone trying to stop this will themselves need to be organized.

 

[DadSmith]

Well, people who weren't violent may have just been caught in the wrong place, wrong time, and may or may not have had any intention of becoming violent.

Arrest those causing harm, sentence to the max, that will teach people not to be violent at protests.

That I agree with. Protesters need to leave when it turns ugly.

 

[foszoe]

I often wonder why peaceful protesters don't citizens arrest agitators? They heavily outnumber them according to the news. That would be something I would do.

I'll just say this - You can't do a surgical strike with napalm. The force applied by the police has to be at least somewhat directed.

I can't tell you where that line is, but do you honestly feel it's justified to fire into a group of 100 people to stop 5 people throwing bottles?

There's a reason police often back off of high-speed police chases in residential areas - it's because the risk of harming or killing innocent people isn't worth taking down a couple of perps in a car. The same applies here.

 

[Hatin Since 87]

I often wonder why peaceful protesters don't citizens arrest agitators? They heavily outnumber them according to the news. That would be something I would do.

There was a video, posted here i think, where they did just that. Some Antifa thug got grabbed up by a group and they marched him over to the police and let them have him. It was heart warming to see honestly. There’s a lot of good folks in these protests, that are protesting for a cause they believe deeply about and want nothing to do with the violent acts some are partaking in. Let’s not forget they’re all as passionate about their beliefs as you and me are ours, just because their beliefs are different is no reason to hate on them. However, the violent ones, ya, **** those guys.


ETA: None of that is directed at you fos, I just quoted you for the first part detailing the video.

 

[Keith_Indy]

There was a video, posted here i think, where they did just that. Some Antifa thug got grabbed up by a group and they marched him over to the police and let them have him. It was heart warming to see honestly. There’s a lot of good folks in these protests, that are protesting for a cause they believe deeply about and want nothing to do with the violent acts some are partaking in. Let’s not forget they’re all as passionate about their beliefs as you and me are ours, just because their beliefs are different is no reason to hate on them. However, the violent ones, ya, **** those guys.


ETA: None of that is directed at you fos, I just quoted you for the first part detailing the video.

Here's that video

Note, the protesters handed over the guy to the police officers, who were standing there 15 feet or so away from the guy breaking up the sidewalk, presumably to have material to throw at cops and through windows.

If I were in charge of BLM, and weren't in league with ANTIFA, I'd be training some enforcers to keep the peace within the peaceful protests. Nothing would put an end to this quicker than a couple big guys taking charge of the people starting violence and handing them over to the police.

THEY DON'T STAND FOR US, THEY SHOULDN'T STAND WITH US, should be the message.

 

[DadSmith]

Here's that video

Note, the protesters handed over the guy to the police officers, who were standing there 15 feet or so away from the guy breaking up the sidewalk, presumably to have material to throw at cops and through windows.

Thats exactly what needs to happen everywhere.

 

[bwframe]

We have strangely picked up a few new members in the past few weeks. New members that show signs of being old members . They don't seem to talk about guns much either?

Hmm... wonder what's up with that?

 

[printcraft]

We have strangely picked up a few new members in the past few weeks. New members that show signs of being old members . They don't seem to talk about guns much either?

Hmm... wonder what's up with that?

As a long term pot stirrer I know a thing or two about spotting pot stirrers, they are pot stirrers for the sake of stirring the pot and causing trouble and dissent here.

 

[churchmouse]

I've been on the forum for years, previously under a different name, and primarily just a lurker over the past couple of years. I am an avid gun owner, and a staunch second amendment supporter who believes that it should be held to the intent of our founding fathers - that by and large, the people have access to implements of force equal to that held by the state. I believe that those rioting, looting, and destroying public and private property should absolutely be held accountable. But I also know that our justice system is built on one principle - that of due process. That people have the right to a fair trial, and that their guilt must be proven before sentencing, that innocent people are not unduly punished for the crimes of another person.

I have to say that today I am ashamed to be a part of this community.

That we could stand by and watch as our brothers are being subjected to this. That we could watch a man killed in police custody - a man that was already detained, no danger to officers on the scene, a man that all the video evidence we have makes it clear that he was compliant with lawful police orders right up until the moment he was conveniently out of view of any cameras - killed after his airway was restricted for eight minutes - a man who met his death with no due process at the hands of police officers that had a history of complaints of excessive force against him. That we could watch a video where peaceful children and people in wheelchairs are hit by gas fired by our own police force, and make excuses justifying those actions. That our police would consider those children acceptable collateral damage to keep the peace is morally repugnant, and that we would watch that and agree with them is disgusting.

I've seen the many videos from Richmond V as well, from many different angles, of police rolling up on non-violent protesters and gassing them. The Richmond police claimed that they had officers cut off by violent protesters and had to gas the crowd to get them to safety, but all the video evidence contradicts that. Even if that were true, you don't harm innocent children to protect yourself from bodily harm. If you find yourself in trouble, no matter how dire, you don't harm innocent people to save yourself. That's cowardice, plain and simple.

I've seen the videos from Charleston, where a man who was telling the police that he wants to understand them, he wants to get to know them, he doesn't want to fight them, is dragged from the crowd and taken away. He was kneeling on the ground with his hands in the air, not posing a threat to anyone. Just talking. Just trying to be diplomatic. And he was arrested. These are not the actions of a just police force.

I hope there are still some actual patriots somewhere in this country. Men and women who know that when you tread on my brother, you tread on me. Not just cowards who masquerade under the name, seeking to protect their own rights and property, but aren't willing to do a damned thing for their neighbor in need.

And to the police officers on this forum - if there are ten bad cops and a thousand good cops, but the thousand aren't willing to stand up against the ten and stop them - there are one thousand and ten bad cops. It's that simple. All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

I'm absolutely NOT calling for violence of any kind, but I will say this: If you went out to protest Coronavirus restrictions, but you're sitting at home making excuses for the police firing teargas into crowds of children - you need to stop calling yourself a supporter of the Second Amendment, because you have no understanding of the purpose it serves.

And yes this against the rules. Yo may e-mail Texkev with your reasoning and we will see then why you are not under you original user name.

 

[churchmouse]

I just caught up here. So new guy comes in and says he was here before with a different name. Isn’t that against rules? Then he goes on to tell us he’s ashamed to be part of this community. Then tells us we don’t know what the 2A is about, because our opinions are different? I’m all for good discussions, but when you come in guns blazin telling a 2A centered forum they don’t know what the 2A is about then you’re not gonna make any friends.

He aint here No-Mo

And listen up.….do not try and tell me or other staunch 2-A supporters what that is all about. Not gonna fly. I smell a rat.

 

[Alpo]

Man this place is getting funky!

1. Don’t go into a riot area and expect not to get caught up in some s&#$t.

2. Peaceable assemblage is not looting and burning stuff.

3. Normal people do not steal stuff.

4. IMO not many protesters are showing up now we have ANTIFA and BLM which are very close to the same.

5. Please note the unrest is centered around urban areas.

Yup.

I'm over it.

Time to break some heads and use one of those empty stadiums as a holding area for people that believe throwing bricks and burning buildings is a 1A right.

 

[bwframe]

I have lost all respect for "protesters" who are actually harbingers for terrorists. Their actions now only shame themselves, their cause and George Floyd.

 

[Hatin Since 87]

He aint here No-Mo

And listen up.….do not try and tell me or other staunch 2-A supporters what that is all about. Not gonna fly. I smell a rat.

You have given out too much Reputation in the last 24 hours, try again later.


Seems strange he wouldn’t use his original name, and then comes in telling us we don’t understand what the 2A is about. Oh well, he’ll get the hint I guess.