DeSantis 2024?

[BugI02]

That's only half of the problem... the part of the swamp opposing anything other than a leftist agenda regardless of the President's policy preferences...

The other half of the problem is when the left has the WH, they politicize the law enforcement, justice, intelligence and revenue agencies against the opposition party. THIS part can only be solved, IMO, when they face the fire themselves and call a truce.

One other thing I don't see discussed much was that when Trump told the military to close up shop in Syria, they decided not to do so and lied to him to cover the fact. The president of the United Staes, their CinC

That's a real 'Steven Days in May' moment right there. The military part of the swamp needs attention, too

If we can't drain it, maybe we can flush it

 

[SheepDog4Life]

Wait, didn't Gen Mattis RESIGN because of the rashness of that withdrawal (actually, IIRC, a rapid draw down) order? That he could not in good conscience follow it, nor could he ignore it because of chain of command. IIRC, the special envoy did as well.

Seems the EXACT OPPOSITE of the military coup plot from "Seven Days in May". "Steven" even, lol!

If only Gen Austin had that much integrity rather than presiding over the shameful Afghanistan fiasco.

 

[jamil]

I could have written that response for you. So predictable…

Can only imagine what the TDS boys would have said if he did it the first year…

I mean. Is what he said not true? If not why not just refute it as not being true? Make your case? All you got is “but TDS!” Is that acknowledging that he said what’s true? And it’s a bad thing that you predicted he’s say the truth?

 

[KG1]

I mean. Is what he said not true? If not why not just refute it as not being true? Make your case? All you got is “but TDS!” Is that acknowledging that he said what’s true? And it’s a bad thing that you predicted he’s say the truth?

I could've written this response for you. So predictable for calling TDS BS.

All you got is IMDS.

 

[Ingomike]

I mean. Is what he said not true? If not why not just refute it as not being true? Make your case? All you got is “but TDS!” Is that acknowledging that he said what’s true? And it’s a bad thing that you predicted he’s say the truth?

No matter what Trump does those with TDS complain, whining it was not done the way one wants is ridiculous, it was done. I am over complainers without a plan. Anybody but Trump is not a plan…

 

[buckwacker]

No matter what Trump does those with TDS complain, whining it was not done the way one wants is ridiculous, it was done. I am over complainers without a plan. Anybody but Trump is not a plan…

Well what it looks like is he issued an executive order or directive or whatever it was, that his voters would eat up, but that he knew would not be carried out. Why not shorten the time frame to 60 days if he was serious about it?

 

[Ingomike]

Well what it looks like is he issued an executive order or directive or whatever it was, that his voters would eat up, but that he knew would not be carried out. Why not shorten the time frame to 60 days if he was serious about it?

I believe he still believed he had won and had faith the courts would do the right thing. He did a lot of things one would only expect of the winner, not a lame duck…

 

[buckwacker]

I believe he still believed he had won and had faith the courts would do the right thing. He did a lot of things one would only expect of the winner, not a lame duck…

Then he chose poorly. Why would he risk it, if he was serious and is of more than mediocre intelligence?

 

[jamil]

No matter what Trump does those with TDS complain, whining it was not done the way one wants is ridiculous, it was done. I am over complainers without a plan. Anybody but Trump is not a plan…

It sounds to me more like you just dismiss anyone capable of repeating facts that aren’t flattering for Trump as TDS.

One doesn’t need to earn the right to speak facts against Trump. He’s not beyond reproach. That’s just retarded.

 

[manifest destiny]

Trump isn't a politician. Grading him relative to other seasoned politicians seems a false equivalency. "He doesn't hire good people!" Who the hell is he suppose to hire, he hasn't spent a lifetime in government. "Trump didn't drain the swamp or lock up Cankles!" I hope nobody voted for Trump because he was going to "drain the swamp". It's a metaphor. He could not factually drain any swamp let alone the cesspool know as D.C. As for Cankles, I wouldn't mess with her either, lest I become suicided. Frankly, I think the Arkancide treatment might still be on the table for Trump. The man has his flaws, no doubt. He had all those flaws in 2016 yet he was still elected. Now suddenly, his flaws are too great when measured against an ever-growing measuring stick. He's the only one in the race that says what he thinks, says what he's going to attempt to do, then attempts to do what he says. I'll take that and all his flaws over any of the other politicians.

 

[jamil]

Trump isn't a politician. Grading him relative to other seasoned politicians seems a false equivalency. "He doesn't hire good people!" Who the hell is he suppose to hire, he hasn't spent a lifetime in government.

First, Trump was not a politician in 2016. He is now. But if that's supposed to be an excuse for why he didn't accomplish things, I have to ask, does he need a handicap like in golf to pad his score because he's disadvantaged because he's not a politician?

It's not a false equivalency. You're making an excuse. You're saying that we shouldn't expect as much from him because he's inexperienced. But then on the other hand, Trumpers be saying he's the greatest president ever.

"Trump didn't drain the swamp or lock up Cankles!" I hope nobody voted for Trump because he was going to "drain the swamp". It's a metaphor. He could not factually drain any swamp let alone the cesspool know as D.C.

Okay, now you're saying it wasn't a goal worth reaching to diminish the importance. Well, people thought it was worth supporting when they shouted "Drain the Swamp" at his rallies. He thought it was worth repeating at his rallies thereafter, as a campaign promise. But it IS an important thing to have accomplished. The swamp needs drained. That has to be a priority if Trump is elected again. I suspect it will be given that he was swamp-****ed for his entire term.

As for Cankles, I wouldn't mess with her either, lest I become suicided. Frankly, I think the Arkancide treatment might still be on the table for Trump. The man has his flaws, no doubt. He had all those flaws in 2016 yet he was still elected. Now suddenly, his flaws are too great when measured against an ever-growing measuring stick.

Now you're blaming the measuring stick. How is that any different than making excuses for failing grades. It's someone else's fault. It's something else to blame.

He's the only one in the race that says what he thinks, says what he's going to attempt to do, then attempts to do what he says. I'll take that and all his flaws over any of the other politicians.

He says what he thinks will make people adore him. He does what he thinks will make his supporters happy. And that's not a bad trait actually. I'll give him that.

 

[Ingomike]

First, Trump was not a politician in 2016. He is now.

Says who? Oh yes, it comes from the fevered minds infected with TDS….

 

[jamil]

Says who? Oh yes, it comes from the fevered minds infected with TDS….

Trump entered the 2016 election as a candidate with no political experience. He became a politician. Having 4 years of elected office under his belt he is a politician. He entered the 2024 election as a politician. Why do you hate the truth? Someone says something objectively true and you think you can deflect it with d’oh! TDS! It’s the equivalent of the left charging “Racist!”

 

[KG1]

Trump managed to do good things policy wise that he campaigned on as a non politician that we all petty much liked.

 

[jamil]

Trump managed to do good things policy wise that he campaigned on as a non politician that we all petty much liked.

Hopefully, now with 4 years under his belt as a politician, if he regains the office, he will get back to he policies that work. Being a politician doesn’t make one automatically evil. It’s what they do that makes them good or evil.

 

[KG1]

Hopefully, now with 4 years under his belt as a politician, if he regains the office, he will get back to he policies that work. Being a politician doesn’t make one automatically evil. It’s what they do that makes them good or evil.

I agree, focus on promoting policies that have been proven to work and stop campaigning on things that you aren’t capable of delivering on like draining the swamp.

 

[jamil]

I agree, focus on promoting policies that work and stop campaigning on things that you aren’t capable of delivering on like draining the swamp.

Yeah, but he has to drain it. Someone has to. Where’s J Edgar Hoover when you need him? Because now the government does need purged of ideologue activists.

I also liked the idea of moving agency headquarters to the middle of nowhere.

 

[nonobaddog]

Trump entered the 2016 election as a candidate with no political experience. He became a politician. Having 4 years of elected office under his belt he is a politician. He entered the 2024 election as a politician. Why do you hate the truth? Someone says something objectively true and you think you can deflect it with d’oh! TDS! It’s the equivalent of the left charging “Racist!”

There are those that are politicians and there are those that are corrupt politicians. You could say Trump is a politician if you want because of his experience but I would disagree if you tried to put him in the same category as the corrupt politicians with decades of sucking the government dry.

 

[SheepDog4Life]

No matter what Trump does those with TDS complain, whining it was not done the way one wants is ridiculous, it was done. I am over complainers without a plan. Anybody but Trump is not a plan…

Mike, elsewhere I've sang praise to Trump for being one of the few elected officials, ever, to actually do, or attempt to do, balls to the walls, everything he promised.

But, he did not "accomplish" Schedule F. He did not go balls the the walls on it. He issued an EO 2 weeks before the election to department/cabinet heads to identify the positions that influenced policy... he only started the ball rolling... those would not have been in place until after the inauguration... and so they never happened.

He dropped the ball on drain the swamp. Pure. Simple. Factual.

To @BugI02 's point that everything cannot be in the first 100 days. Sure, I get that... but 3 years and 50 weeks in... on the 1,130th day? Obviously not a priority...

And definitely not a mic drop moment.

 

[jamil]

There are those that are politicians and there are those that are corrupt politicians. You could say Trump is a politician if you want because of his experience but I would disagree if you tried to put him in the same category as the corrupt politicians with decades of sucking the government dry.

I think that’s where all the denials come from. I think Mike is thinking in a colloquial sense. I’m using the actual meaning. Trump is a politician. I’m not gonna say there is no corruption in him.

But, as much as that guy has been investigated, if there is any corruption in him and all they have on him is taking some documents home with him (which apparently every president/veep does) or paying off the porn star he ****ed, then that’s a lot cleaner than we’d find Biden, if he were scrutinized like that.