DeSantis 2024?

[jamil]

Yep, lots of talk about asses but nothing about my questions in a post all about questions?

A lot to learn about Desantis. Who are his financial backers? Club For Growth and other globalists? Is really conservative or a product of his Yale and Harvard educations? Is he the real deal or playing a part?

Your questions were answered. You were too focused on all points relative to Trump’s ass to notice. Who has thrown blind support behind DeSantis? Me? Prove it.

This thread is full of comments from the people you want to claim are as ardent about DeSantis as you are about Trump, to the point of acknowledging legitimate negatives about DeSantis. How about you pay attention to reality rather than your imaginary nemeses?

The answer to that question, I suspect it has to do with all points being relative to your magnetic North.

 

[SheepDog4Life]

I'm not seeing any other 11:04pm signings there. But admittedly I'm not on RDS's Twitter feed. Can you find others? I'm willing to listen, but what you presented didn't prove your point.

1. Dems threw dozens of amendments at the bill... with no hope of passing any of them, just a stalling maneauver... it did not pass until close of business (5-6 pm) from the AP News byline. Apparently the Dems wanted to do some "show" stuff, but still be home for dinner, lol!

2. See all of those people surrounding him at the signing... you think after waiting ALL DAY he should have told them to come back the next day to see the signing? You think they just randomly "appeared"? Or do you think that they had been looking forward to and working towards THAT day for years?

No, apparently you're saying he told them all to stand around wait for hours until after 11 pm for some reason, then immediately posted it to Twitter.

 

[SheepDog4Life]

Your questions were answered. You were too focused on all points relative to Trump’s ass to notice. Who has thrown blind support behind DeSantis? Me? Prove it.

This thread is full of comments from the people you want to claim are as ardent about DeSantis as you are about Trump, to the point of acknowledging legitimate negatives about DeSantis. How about you pay attention to reality rather than your imaginary nemeses?

The answer to that question, I suspect it has to do with all points being relative to your magnetic North.

Me, personally, I'm disappointed Pompeo didn't enter the race, but understand why he didn't.

Pompeo was/is a BULLDOG!

DeSantis still has plenty of time to step on his own ****. It's a marathon, not a sprint.

 

[KG1]

Boy Trump's ass is sure getting a lot of airplay here.

 

[KG1]

Here's one you could use to mix it up a bit jamil. If you throw an apple at Trump's ass you would be hitting ardent Trump supporters in the back of the head. (relax IM it's just a joke)

 

[Twangbanger]

I have posted this dozens of times, usually to little acknowledgement.

Two of the more despised RINO’s on INGO both ran for president. Both were smeared as literal Hitler, the further list of accusations was not even remotely close to the reality of these part/time dems, one of whom was the architect of obummer care, and the other stuck the knife in the back of its repeal.

The point is if Lenin ran as a republican, they would smear him too. There is no such thing as a running a candidate that moderates love that can get elected. That is a media polli/sci creation.

Rush Limbaugh, called it, you win elections by motivating your base and voters, the moderates split.

(Obviously this does not account for fraud.)

I get what you're saying, but we're starting to branch off in directions here. You and S4Life are both saying moderation = death, but can't seem to agree who the real moderate is.

You're saying it's RDS, because he's too moderate and doesn't have the vaunted Trump Battling Spirit.

S4Life is saying Trump is the moderate, and RDS is the conservative who can win because he's a social conservative firebrand on things like abortion...and other stuff like Trump diddled a pornstar and Religious Fundamentalist America no longer has to tolerate that, because they've turned their attention to the next step of bringing Blue states under the yoke of the Federal Reproductive Handmaid's Tale, etc. &c.

I get the Rush point about "all" Republicans getting Hitlerized, and the "Republicans Want to Take your Medicare" hyperbole and all that.

The concept we're kicking around in the Trump / DeSantis for Prez threads, is those candidates actually doing things that make the Hitler label seem more credible.

If you want to get elected, some things are going to throw gas on the fire. Saying "I prefer people who didn't get caught" and angering groups of people talking about "sh.thole countries" are examples.

RDS's 6-week heartbeat bill is one of those things. It's walking right into the left's caricature of him as a religious extremist. Because a whole lot of people still want a woman to be able to make the decision to carry the baby to term or not, at the biological point in time where she's kinda/sorta able to find out if she's pregnant or not. Legally moving that decision back to before she knows she's pregnant is an extremist position to a lot of America. Trump's unique position as an adulterer/pornstar diddler allowed him to grasp the reality that most Americans aren't religious fundamentalists.

Ron DeSantis doesn't seem to get that.

Back to the Rush point, I don't think you have to be a moderate to get elected. I think a conservative can get elected. But I do think a conservative has to offer some kind of governing value proposition to people who aren't religious or free-market fundamentalists. Trump did that by holding non-Establishment-conservative positions on things like immigration and trade. A lot of blue collar people who don't read National Review Online could see value in those points.

The allegation which has been made against DeSantis is that he's yet another Club-For-Growth Market Fundamentalist, who will try to use hot button social issues to sell the same old Libertarian race-to-the-bottom economics to the masses - and get the same disastrous result for Republicans.

The 6-week abortion bill is fitting perfectly into that mold. I don't know if he realizes that Bug12 and his pitchfork truckdriver army are already suspicious of him. But he's giving them zero reason not to be.

 

[BugI02]

and doesn't run and hide from a fight.

Uhhh, how come he correctly identified Ukraine as a territorial dispute of limited significance to the US and then immediately backed off when he took heat for the position?

He hasn't got the fire

 

[BugI02]

The allegation which has been made against DeSantis is that he's yet another Club-For-Growth Market Fundamentalist, who will try to use hot button social issues to sell the same old Libertarian race-to-the-bottom economics to the masses - and get the same disastrous result for Republicans.

That paragraph distills exactly how I feel in a succinct way that I could never duplicate

Bravo, my hat is off

 

[SheepDog4Life]

I get what you're saying, but we're starting to branch off in directions here. You and S4Life are both saying moderation = death, but can't seem to agree who the real moderate is.

Not speaking for IM, but I thought we were agreeing the RINO compromise, finger-to-wind of leading from behind (i.e. following polls), was something we both we sick and tired of...

You're saying it's RDS, because he's too moderate and doesn't have the vaunted Trump Battling Spirit.

I read the question as is RDS the real deal or a pretender?

S4Life is saying Trump is the moderate, and RDS is the conservative who can win because he's a social conservative firebrand on things like abortion...and other stuff like Trump diddled a pornstar and Religious Fundamentalist America no longer has to tolerate that, because they've turned their attention to the next step of bringing Blue states under the yoke of the Federal Reproductive Handmaid's Tale, etc. &c.

Re-read my posts... how you can get that I said the 6-week abortion ban is a positive national politcal move leaves me incredulous.

That Trump is partnering with the MSM on FALSE NARRATIVES on RDS should give all pause.

I think that there is no one disputing the part of the politically motivated Pornstar Pay-off Prosecution that Trump DID pay-off a pornstar, a la NDA. Nowhere did I assert that he in fact did **** a pornstar. That is Little Vader's line. cc: @jamil

"Handmaid's Tale", lol! I see where you stand on this issue... FWIW, my personal beliefs align with neither the staunch pro-life nor the staunch pro-choice tribes. The pro-life argument is strongest in the final trimester, the pro-choice argument is strongest in the first.

I get the Rush point about "all" Republicans getting Hitlerized, and the "Republicans Want to Take your Medicare" hyperbole and all that.

Yes, and his point was that typically it was the Dems with the support of the MSM... now it's the Don doing it in conjunction with the MSM.

And isn't equating someone (RDS) to a handmaiden's Commander hitlerization?

The concept we're kicking around in the Trump / DeSantis for Prez threads, is those candidates actually doing things that make the Hitler label seem more credible.

If you want to get elected, some things are going to throw gas on the fire. Saying "I prefer people who didn't get caught" and angering groups of people talking about "sh.thole countries" are examples.

RDS's 6-week heartbeat bill is one of those things.

So a staunch pro-life position is "literally" Hitler and equivalent to "just grab them by the *****"?

FWIW, I don't agree with the 6-week ban nor do I agree with the "no restrictions" left view.

It's walking right into the left's caricature of him as a religious extremist. Because a whole lot of people still want a woman to be able to make the decision to carry the baby to term or not, at the biological point in time where she's kinda/sorta able to find out if she's pregnant or not. Legally moving that decision back to before she knows she's pregnant is an extremist position to a lot of America.

I agree 6 weeks is on the pro-life extreme end of the spectrum. Most national polls I've seen, IIRC, the majority favor a 12-15 week ban with life of mother exception.

So 6-week does not help in the general. Primary is a different subject.

Trump's unique position as an adulterer/pornstar diddler allowed him to grasp the reality that most Americans aren't religious fundamentalists.

Ron DeSantis doesn't seem to get that.

Are you asserting the RDS is taking this position as a faker and doesn't believe life starts at conception? Or are you suggesting he modify (finger-to-the-wind) his principled positions to be more electable?

And you're missing my point... Trump won in 2016 in part because the evangelicals "held their noses" and voted for him in the hopes of getting what they wanted... justices that would over turn RVW. Without that support we would have had a President Hillary Clinton.

He actively courted that support again in 2020 by attending the March for Life and used staunch prolife terms....

Remarks by President Trump at the 47th Annual March for Life – The White House

trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov

His current, let the states decide is a retreat from those statements.

Back to the Rush point, I don't think you have to be a moderate to get elected. I think a conservative can get elected. But I do think a conservative has to offer some kind of governing value proposition to people who aren't religious or free-market fundamentalists. Trump did that by holding non-Establishment-conservative positions on things like immigration and trade. A lot of blue collar people who don't read National Review Online could see value in those points.

Trump did on immigration what many establish Republicans "mouthed" but didn't follow-up on to get conservative support. Conservatives want border security and well-governed immigration that is in US interest. Trump delivered or at least persistently attempted to deliver.

Trump also hit back, hard, on trading partners' unfair/protectionist practices... some cried "foul" because of his methods, he re-doubled the other countries' protectionist practices right back at them, but his started end goal was fair trade. For example, he didn't kill NAFTA, he modified to be fair or advantageous to US interests.

There's a difference, IMO, between a "market-fundamentalist" who believe the market will solve all, and someone who believes in fair trade, and someone who pratcies protectionism. IMO, Trump was fair trade and the US will win in a fair market against other countries.

The allegation which has been made against DeSantis is that he's yet another Club-For-Growth Market Fundamentalist, who will try to use hot button social issues to sell the same old Libertarian race-to-the-bottom economics to the masses - and get the same disastrous result for Republicans.

Ask Disney if he's CoC/CfG? Nope.

And not sure what you mean by "race-to-the-bottom economics". Is that "fair trade" and they're advocating protectionism? Trump was a populist and used retaliatory protectionist methods... but to reach fair trade deals.

If he's now advocating protectionist trade policies to "protect jobs", then on that front he's a Democrat with amnesia over the Great Depression.

The 6-week abortion bill is fitting perfectly into that mold. I don't know if he realizes that Bug12 and his pitchfork truckdriver army are already suspicious of him. But he's giving them zero reason not to be.

Ehhh... whatever... say what you're going to do, then do what you said you were going to do... sounds like the founding principles of the Freedom Caucus (RDS founding member)... which then Trump copied to good effect.

 

[SheepDog4Life]

That paragraph distills exactly how I feel in a succinct way that I could never duplicate

Bravo, my hat is off

Venn diagram of Trump's 2020 March for Life speech and the 6-week bans sweeping thru red states have a lot, a LOT of overlap. He didn't expressly support such bans... but the staunch pro-lifers in DC sure thought he did... but now Trump's running away from the March for Life people because finger in the wind polling (accurate, but still flip-flopping positions for votes).

Again, I'm neither staunch prolife or prochoice... I think they are both wrong, and both right, in different ways.

Remarks by President Trump at the 47th Annual March for Life – The White House

trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov

FWIW, so far from everything I've seen, if DeSantis says it, he'll support it and do it... this was the overwhelmingly positive and refreshing aspect of Trump in 2016-2020. Nothing was smoke-up-the-*** telling people what they wanted to hear. He aggressively pursed EVERY item on his stated agenda.

Whether Trump stole/copied it or just stood on the same principle, THIS was a founding principle of the Freedom Caucus co-founded by DeSantis well before Trump rode down the elevator.

 

[Ingomike]

“A new Wall Street Journal poll out Friday shows Trump with a 13% lead in a hypothetical GOP presidential primary contest.”

“In December, DeSantis had a 14% lead over Trump in a Wall Street Journal poll in a test GOP primary battle.”

“To date, Trump has picked up endorsements from half of Florida's congressional delegation and about 50 members of Congress in total.”

“Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush has applauded DeSantis' job performance but stopped short of endorsing him. Bush had said DeSantis has a "proven track record" and would be a "great alternative" to Trump.”

DeSantis struggling to generate support among GOP lawmakers as Trump surges in GOP primary polls

DeSantis had been regarded by many as a potential threat to Trump's bid for a second term in the White House.

justthenews.com

 

[KG1]

Whether you like Disney or not has DeSantis pushed this too far by using the power of his political office to "retaliate?" Does Disney have a valid argument as alleged? Maybe they do. What say you INGO?

Disney sues DeSantis, calling park takeover 'retaliation'

Disney is suing Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis over the Republican’s takeover of its theme park district, alleging Wednesday that the governor waged a “targeted campaign of government retaliation” after the company opposed a law critics call “Don’t Say Gay.” The suit was filed minutes after a Disney...

apnews.com

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) — Disney sued Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis on Wednesday over the Republican’s takeover of its theme park district, alleging the governor waged a “targeted campaign of government retaliation” after the company opposed a law critics call “Don’t Say Gay.”

 

[KLB]

Disney decided to wade into politics. Poor choice. Then they tried some good old cronyism to try to stop losing their sweetheart deal.

 

[SheepDog4Life]

Disney decided to wade into politics. Poor choice. Then they tried some good old cronyism to try to stop losing their sweetheart deal.

Yup... live by the political sword, die by the political sword... throwing stones in glass houses... etc, etc, etc.

A story as old as the hills with so many cliches to describe it.

 

[KG1]

Disney decided to wade into politics. Poor choice. Then they tried some good old cronyism to try to stop losing their sweetheart deal.

Yep. Disney went political with this trick.

As punishment, DeSantis took over Disney World’s self-governing district and appointed a new board of supervisors that would oversee municipal services in the sprawling theme parks. But before the new board came in, the company pushed though an 11th-hour agreement that stripped the new supervisors of much of their authority.

 

[Ingomike]

I putting this here with the disney stuff too.

“Presidential candidate Nikki Haley voiced her support for Disney during an interview with Fox News on Wednesday by saying she would be happy to introduce them to the governor and state legislature so they could relocate Disney World.”

Nikki Haley Has Chosen a Side in Florida's Legal Battle Against Disney

townhall.com

 

[KG1]

So apparently Trump and Haley have chosen a side and it ain't in favor of DeSantis.

 

[Ingomike]

Venn diagram of Trump's 2020 March for Life speech and the 6-week bans sweeping thru red states have a lot, a LOT of overlap. He didn't expressly support such bans... but the staunch pro-lifers in DC sure thought he did... but now Trump's running away from the March for Life people because finger in the wind polling (accurate, but still flip-flopping positions for votes).

Again, I'm neither staunch prolife or prochoice... I think they are both wrong, and both right, in different ways.

Remarks by President Trump at the 47th Annual March for Life – The White House

trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov

FWIW, so far from everything I've seen, if DeSantis says it, he'll support it and do it... this was the overwhelmingly positive and refreshing aspect of Trump in 2016-2020. Nothing was smoke-up-the-*** telling people what they wanted to hear. He aggressively pursed EVERY item on his stated agenda.

Whether Trump stole/copied it or just stood on the same principle, THIS was a founding principle of the Freedom Caucus co-founded by DeSantis well before Trump rode down the elevator.

You may find this intereating…

The New Baby-Killers

townhall.com

 

[jamil]

Whether you like Disney or not has DeSantis pushed this too far by using the power of his political office to "retaliate?" Does Disney have a valid argument as alleged? Maybe they do. What say you INGO?

Disney sues DeSantis, calling park takeover 'retaliation'

Disney is suing Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis over the Republican’s takeover of its theme park district, alleging Wednesday that the governor waged a “targeted campaign of government retaliation” after the company opposed a law critics call “Don’t Say Gay.” The suit was filed minutes after a Disney...

apnews.com

There is some merit to the idea that they brought the thing into the political realm, so fair game. And, the Disney sweetheart deal should never have been made. But at the end of the day, it was retaliation, and abuse of government power.

 

[jamil]

So apparently Trump and Haley have chosen a side and it ain't in favor of DeSantis.

Isn’t that guilt by association? Or does it depend where magnetic North is?