CZ P10C versus Glock 19

[T-DOGG]

I wouldn't necessarily say that anyone stating their particular handgun choice being the best is wrong. But, I've realized lately how subjective "best" really is. Best for one person is not best for another. Best for me one day can be different the next. Even "best" within a single platform has a multitude of variances; i.e. Glock, AR, 1911, etc. Carry what you think is best, there's no shame in that.

In my opinion the Gen 5 are the best Glocks in regards to factory ergos and trigger. I don't like finger grooves and I think the trigger is good enough out of the box to not justify modifications.....for me.

 

[nrgrams]

I wouldn't necessarily say that anyone stating their particular handgun choice being the best is wrong. But, I've realized lately how subjective "best" really is. Best for one person is not best for another. Best for me one day can be different the next. Even "best" within a single platform has a multitude of variances; i.e. Glock, AR, 1911, etc. Carry what you think is best, there's no shame in that.

In my opinion the Gen 5 are the best Glocks in regards to factory ergos and trigger. I don't like finger grooves and I think the trigger is good enough out of the box to not justify modifications.....for me.

This. Gotta be objective when stating things like "best" as typically it's all subjective or based on specifics.

 

[bjenkins]

I wouldn't necessarily say that anyone stating their particular handgun choice being the best is wrong. But, I've realized lately how subjective "best" really is. Best for one person is not best for another. Best for me one day can be different the next. Even "best" within a single platform has a multitude of variances; i.e. Glock, AR, 1911, etc. Carry what you think is best, there's no shame in that.

In my opinion the Gen 5 are the best Glocks in regards to factory ergos and trigger. I don't like finger grooves and I think the trigger is good enough out of the box to not justify modifications.....for me.

Well written T-DOGG, I believe the Gen 5 or the P10 is a great choice both having very nice triggers out of the box. Both are winners in my book!

 

[Expat]

I wouldn't necessarily say that anyone stating their particular handgun choice being the best is wrong. But, I've realized lately how subjective "best" really is. Best for one person is not best for another. Best for me one day can be different the next. Even "best" within a single platform has a multitude of variances; i.e. Glock, AR, 1911, etc. Carry what you think is best, there's no shame in that.

Well put T-Dogg

 

[Fordtough25]

yes I have. I personally have a P10 and my buddy has a gen5 19. I've shot both extensively. I'm not saying that the p10 is perfect but its much better than the 19 out of the box. It sports a better trigger, better grip texture, and metal (albeit aluminum) sights compared to the garbage plastic sights on the 19. my biggest issue with the Gen5 19 however is the absolutely ridiculous and unnecessary beveled cut in the grip for stripping out mags. It is very uncomfortable and strangely placed, why not put it on the side?

You got me on the sights for sure, factory glock sights are crap. The rest is subjective of course, and steel glock sights are dirt cheap, as are magazines, holsters, etc etc. I've got 1200 rounds through my gen5 and I haven't noticed the frame cutout while firing yet. Would have made sense on the side but i don't think it's a detractor, maybe my hands are bigger?

 

[churchmouse]

I have yet to find a striker fired platform that does not make me cringe when I run it. The trigger just seem so disconnected from the gun. Almost fly by wire. And mushy. Ugh.
I will admit to being a dyed in the wool 1911 guy. But I am open to new concepts especially in the last few years having hooked up with a couple of shadowy outfits here in the corners of Ingo. The knowledge and attitudes have softened me tremendously. I actually own a few 9mm hand guns and they are not 1911's....go figure.
I am sporting some killer 10mm's and have 2 .45s that are CZ's. Change is good. Except for this icky striker fired thing. That they do run and run well, are as accurate as the operator, seem to go bang when the mushy trigger is used makes them get high marks. But that ignition control group just feel anemic in my hand.
Its just me.

 

[T-DOGG]

You got me on the sights for sure, factory glock sights are crap. The rest is subjective of course, and steel glock sights are dirt cheap, as are magazines, holsters, etc etc. I've got 1200 rounds through my gen5 and I haven't noticed the frame cutout while firing yet. Would have made sense on the side but i don't think it's a detractor, maybe my hands are bigger?

The frame cutout did not bother me either when using flush mount 15rd mags. If I used 17rd mags, which left a gap, my pinky would rub that area and get slightly irritated. All I did though was take some 2000 grit sandpaper and lightly smooth the edges that had flashing on them from when the frame was molded. That took care of it for me.

 

[Fordtough25]

I have yet to find a striker fired platform that does not make me cringe when I run it. The trigger just seem so disconnected from the gun. Almost fly by wire. And mushy. Ugh.
I will admit to being a dyed in the wool 1911 guy. But I am open to new concepts especially in the last few years having hooked up with a couple of shadowy outfits here in the corners of Ingo. The knowledge and attitudes have softened me tremendously. I actually own a few 9mm hand guns and they are not 1911's....go figure.
I am sporting some killer 10mm's and have 2 .45s that are CZ's. Change is good. Except for this icky striker fired thing. That they do run and run well, are as accurate as the operator, seem to go bang when the mushy trigger is used makes them get high marks. But that ignition control group just feel anemic in my hand.
Its just me.

You're spot on honestly sir, striker fired pistols are a completely different animal than a 1911 or beretta/cz hammer gun. I've always stuck with glocks for striker action, they just work for me.

 

[T-DOGG]

I have yet to find a striker fired platform that does not make me cringe when I run it. The trigger just seem so disconnected from the gun. Almost fly by wire. And mushy. Ugh.
I will admit to being a dyed in the wool 1911 guy. But I am open to new concepts especially in the last few years having hooked up with a couple of shadowy outfits here in the corners of Ingo. The knowledge and attitudes have softened me tremendously. I actually own a few 9mm hand guns and they are not 1911's....go figure.
I am sporting some killer 10mm's and have 2 .45s that are CZ's. Change is good. Except for this icky striker fired thing. That they do run and run well, are as accurate as the operator, seem to go bang when the mushy trigger is used makes them get high marks. But that ignition control group just feel anemic in my hand.
Its just me.

IMO, I've never felt a striker fired trigger that is as good as a well tuned hammer fired version. Some of the best triggers I've felt are in a 1911, CZ and Sig. All hammer fired. With that being said, I prefer striker fired for a different reason. I would rather not have to decock, activate/deactivate a safety or deal with the first shot and following shots having a different trigger pull both in length and weight (DA/SA). Grip safeties, thumb safeties and DA/SA guns all reduce MY efficiency in training, despite how much time I spend practicing with them. Striker fired, for ME, allows me to focus more on the task at hand while reducing at least one manipulation to remember that I have to perform. I am in no means knocking anyone who says otherwise, we all have different views, do what works for you.

 

[88E30M50]

I wouldn't necessarily say that anyone stating their particular handgun choice being the best is wrong. But, I've realized lately how subjective "best" really is. Best for one person is not best for another. Best for me one day can be different the next. Even "best" within a single platform has a multitude of variances; i.e. Glock, AR, 1911, etc. Carry what you think is best, there's no shame in that.

In my opinion the Gen 5 are the best Glocks in regards to factory ergos and trigger. I don't like finger grooves and I think the trigger is good enough out of the box to not justify modifications.....for me.

Spot on T-Dogg. I struggle with the 'best' thing myself. Early on, I'd buy and then sell guns in an never ending pursuit of 'best'. There was a while when I'd say for me, the best was the Bersa Thunder 9 Compact. That's really an under rated gun and then I went on to a Hi Power. CZs were next and I was into and out of them several times before the hook was set deep. Even now, the CZ P10C was best last summer. Come fall, it was the Dan Wesson A2. In December, it was a G30sf and for the last month and a half it's the CZ P07 in .40.

'Best' is subjective at best. For me, 'best' tends to be what I shoot best at any particular time.

 

[wtburnette]

IMO, I've never felt a striker fired trigger that is as good as a well tuned hammer fired version. Some of the best triggers I've felt are in a 1911, CZ and Sig. All hammer fired. With that being said, I prefer striker fired for a different reason. I would rather not have to decock, activate/deactivate a safety or deal with the first shot and following shots having a different trigger pull both in length and weight (DA/SA). Grip safeties, thumb safeties and DA/SA guns all reduce MY efficiency in training, despite how much time I spend practicing with them. Striker fired, for ME, allows me to focus more on the task at hand while reducing at least one manipulation to remember that I have to perform. I am in no means knocking anyone who says otherwise, we all have different views, do what works for you.

Well said and a big part of the reason I'm back to carrying plastic...

 

[Fordtough25]

IMO, I've never felt a striker fired trigger that is as good as a well tuned hammer fired version. Some of the best triggers I've felt are in a 1911, CZ and Sig. All hammer fired. With that being said, I prefer striker fired for a different reason. I would rather not have to decock, activate/deactivate a safety or deal with the first shot and following shots having a different trigger pull both in length and weight (DA/SA). Grip safeties, thumb safeties and DA/SA guns all reduce MY efficiency in training, despite how much time I spend practicing with them. Striker fired, for ME, allows me to focus more on the task at hand while reducing at least one manipulation to remember that I have to perform. I am in no means knocking anyone who says otherwise, we all have different views, do what works for you.

You're spot on as well, and your reasoning is why I carry a g19. Stress causes so many issues less is better when it comes to manipulation. This is why Jframe's do well for a deep cc as well.

 

[88E30M50]

If CZ would only come out with a P10C in .40, they'd have the perfect year round carry gun for me. Who am I kidding. I'd be into something else a month after declaring that one to be the best.

 

[T-DOGG]

If CZ would only come out with a P10C in .40, they'd have the perfect year round carry gun for me. Who am I kidding. I'd be into something else a month after declaring that one to be the best.

I've seen the P10 mags in .40 for sale on Brownells and GregCote for awhile now. What's up with that? How are mags available for a gun that isn't even on the market yet?

 

[churchmouse]

IMO, I've never felt a striker fired trigger that is as good as a well tuned hammer fired version. Some of the best triggers I've felt are in a 1911, CZ and Sig. All hammer fired. With that being said, I prefer striker fired for a different reason. I would rather not have to decock, activate/deactivate a safety or deal with the first shot and following shots having a different trigger pull both in length and weight (DA/SA). Grip safeties, thumb safeties and DA/SA guns all reduce MY efficiency in training, despite how much time I spend practicing with them. Striker fired, for ME, allows me to focus more on the task at hand while reducing at least one manipulation to remember that I have to perform. I am in no means knocking anyone who says otherwise, we all have different views, do what works for you.

You're spot on honestly sir, striker fired pistols are a completely different animal than a 1911 or beretta/cz hammer gun. I've always stuck with glocks for striker action, they just work for me.

Well said from you both. If it works for you use it. If you are comfortable with it....use it. And on and on and on.
I am just so deeply ingrained in hammer fired platforms that the strikers just feel wrong.

 

[88E30M50]

I've seen the P10 mags in .40 for sale on Brownells and GregCote for awhile now. What's up with that? How are mags available for a gun that isn't even on the market yet?

They are the same mags as are used in the P07 but with the P10 cut added at the top. I think that they shifted production over to the P10 style and just sell them as P10 mags just to frustrate me.

 

[T-DOGG]

My P10 has a build date of Sept 2017. No trigger slap that I could notice. Trigger feels good to me. I do like that the "dingus" trigger safety doesn't protrude as much as the G**** version does.

 

[Fordtough25]

This thread inspired me this morning, took my gen5 out and ran 5 mags through it! Two factory 15 rounders, a factory 17 rounder, a magpul 15 and magpul 21 rounder. Only mag that made the frame cutout noticeable was the factory 17 rounder, pistol shot great and is far more accurate than I. Shot some Pepsi cans that had frozen and swelled, fun!

 

[croy]

I could deal with a safety such as a 1911. But I don't want to deal with DA/SA or really any safeties. Especially on something like a shield where its really small.

P10 just isn't for me. Id rather have a glock or m&p. I'll eventually have both id imagine.

 

[88E30M50]

It will be interesting to see what CGW comes up with for the P10. At the moment, I'm quite happy with the HBI trigger with the fangs cut down. I wish the BTF issue with my G30sf were as easy to resolve as the trigger irritation on the P10. I thought that I had that figured out after a range trip on Thursday but I took it back out today and it taught me that the extractor work I did had little effect overall. On the plus side, I did not have to chase brass very far though.