Coronovirus IV

[nonobaddog]

This map isn't true anymore(if it ever was).

They claim the Red one third of the deaths are in eight counties in new york.

Johns Hopkins says
Kings - 5,035
Queens - 4,959
Bronx - 3,510
New York - 2,248
Nassau - 2,108
Suffolk - 1,851
Westchester - 1,345
Rockland - 618

Total - 21,674

US Total - 98,933

That is under 22% which is significantly less than one third.

Oh Crud! I missed Richmond county. That adds 801 deaths and brings the percentage higher but still less than 23 percent.

 

[T.Lex]

You're missing the point. There has been no reduction in the Republican-controlled districts (*) because there hasn't needed to be a reduction.

A better analogy would be that my basement has an inch of standing water coming from a crack in the foundation, and your basement flooded two feet. You managed to reduce the water level in your basement to six inches, while my basement held steady at one inch of standing water.


* Used for convenience as the article-described cohort, not to ascribe causation

Yeah, I think we're on the same page in terms of the numbers.

I'm tiring of the "MSM bias" topic, so didn't pay much attention to that angle.

 

[BugI02]

‘Non-Essential’ Store Opened During Lockdown To Sell New Mexico Governor Jewelry

Do any of these Democrat governors follow the policies they are imposing on others?

Does 'royalty' follow the restrictions placed on the peasants, or just make the proclamations knowing they can/will exempt themselves or otherwise duck the inconveniences?

 

[nonobaddog]

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[BugI02]

You know that's not true. There's different kinds of sampling, and that's only one. It isn't the only one.

[But it's the only one for which you can extrapolate to the group as a whole with rigorous mathematical support]

(Total aside, I love that Jetta is reading this.)



Which is what I said to NNBD later in the thread. We have to accept that there are unknown (and inconsistent) parameters wrapped around who is getting tested, and that flows through to the positives.

And, as long as one states that it is based on the reported death rate, there's nothing inherently "wrong" about playing those numbers out.



We don't. We also don't have control over that.

Haven't we reached the point of just accepting, as to each other, the only reported numbers we have are the reported numbers. Any "conclusions" should fairly state that it is based on reported numbers. If that happens, I don't see the problem. It is then up to the reader to judge for the credibility of the "conclusions."

If you can't reliably define the deviations from random in the sample, you have no idea how to set the confidence intervals and extrapolation of the [STRIKE]data[/STRIKE] collection of points is an exercize in futility

It's exactly what you claim for the rest of us, the 'data' is reinforcing what you already wish to conclude, otherwise you would not mount a defense of some conclusions without a sound mathematical basis. The 'sampling' you speak of is equivalent to reading tea leaves

 

[drillsgt]

‘Non-Essential’ Store Opened During Lockdown To Sell New Mexico Governor Jewelry

Do any of these Democrat governors follow the policies they are imposing on others?

"Lujan Grisham, who is reportedly being vetted as a potential vice presidential pick..." well, probably not anymore.

 

[OakRiver]

Does 'royalty' follow the restrictions placed on the peasants, or just make the proclamations knowing they can/will exempt themselves or otherwise duck the inconveniences?

This is the same party as "Let them eat ice cream" Pelosi

 

[BugI02]

This is the same party as "Let them eat ice cream" Pelosi

Or 'We can enjoy boating even more if the peasants are still locked down' Whitmer

Edit: "When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time"

 

[OakRiver]

Or 'We can enjoy boating even more if the peasants are still locked down' Whitmer

Edit: "When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time"

"Let them eat ice cream" Pelosi
"My boat > your rights" Whitmer
"My walk in the park > your freedom" deBlasio
"My horse > your family" Pritzker
"My haircut > your freedom of movement" Lightfoot
"My right to not wear a mask or be tested > mandatory masks for the peasants" Northam
"My jewelry > your business" Lujan

 

[nonobaddog]

Haven't we reached the point of just accepting, as to each other, the only reported numbers we have are the reported numbers. Any "conclusions" should fairly state that it is based on reported numbers. If that happens, I don't see the problem. It is then up to the reader to judge for the credibility of the "conclusions."

Haven't we reached the point of just accepting that all we have are crappy numbers and no amount of turd polishing will result in valid results, let alone conclusions?

 

[T.Lex]

Haven't we reached the point of just accepting that all we have are crappy numbers and no amount of turd polishing will result in valid results, let alone conclusions?

The only conclusions I see here regarding this are that: COVID is a hoax; continued precautions invite a new civil war; and Dems are traitors.

Otherwise, I think most INGOers are avoiding conclusions.

None of us have a crystal ball. The best we can do is speak in terms of appearances, risks and strategies.

It appears we are mitigating the risks of a second wave with social distancing strategies.

 

[Alpo]

Yeah, well, except the republicans are in charge and the biggest scare-monger on INGO ain't a democrat.

So, there's that.

 

[chipbennett]

With further reflection, let me be clear: I've not meant to mock or denigrate any INGOers* regarding their earnest beliefs regarding this pandemic. And this is generally true of all discussions in which I engage, my intent is to fully flesh out people's positions and, on a good day, do so with some humor when appropriate.** I appreciate opposing points of view because it tests my own beliefs. I may present information or insight intended to get people to re-consider their positions, but it is not intended to be read with a mocking voice.

* Other than GPiashuvnyrggygbydydb, Jetta, foszoe, sometimes jamil and chip, and probably a couple others that I'll edit in.

** And sometimes when it is inappropriate.

See, this is why I like you, and why INGO helps me remind myself not to take myself so seriously all the time. (Advice to high school-aged me?)

 

[T.Lex]

See, this is why I like you, and why INGO helps me remind myself not to take myself so seriously all the time. (Advice to high school-aged me?)

Quick sidenote - one area that I'm not completely comfortable discussing is the issue of schools re-opening. That's something that I have various levels of interest in, and I'm not sure I can account for my internal biases. That's a very complicated assessment that has huge upside and downside risks.

 

[foszoe]

Not sure why this in in purple.

EVERYBODY KNOWS Covid 19 was developed in a Chinese bio-weapons lab under contract to Donald Trump to produce a virus to kill Democrats and liberals. It is mostly working. There is some spill over to people with RINO tendencies.

 

[JettaKnight]

Yeah, well, except the republicans are in charge and the biggest scare-monger on INGO ain't a democrat.

So, there's that.

Man, one day I come to your defense, then the next day...

EVERYBODY KNOWS Covid 19 was developed in a Chinese bio-weapons lab under contract to Donald Trump to produce a virus to kill Democrats and liberals. It is mostly working. There is some spill over to people with RINO tendencies.

No wonder Trump is taking drugs to ward it off.

 

[HoughMade]

The only conclusions I see here regarding this are that: COVID is a hoax; continued precautions invite a new civil war; and Dems are traitors.

Otherwise, I think most INGOers are avoiding conclusions.

None of us have a crystal ball. The best we can do is speak in terms of appearances, risks and strategies.

It appears we are mitigating the risks of a second wave with social distancing strategies.

At this point, I'm at the same point I was almost 2 months ago. Extreme lock down and distancing for the vulnerable, essentially open with social distancing and some other reasonable measures for everyone else.

Regardless of what more we learn about the disease around the edges, we know who is generally more seriously affected by it, and we know that unless we get people moving and consuming, we are headed for an even longer recession, possibly a depression.

It's time to realize that now or later, we are going to lose people to this disease, but life must go on.

If we want people to believe in goofy conspiracy theories, keep the lock downs going.

 

[Tombs]

Even Liberal want America to succeed - they just define success radically differently.

Of course, the democrat-socialist define success so radically different that one could argue that America would be almost a ghost of it's original self.

Their definition of success is the destruction of America as retribution for perceived sins of the past.
I'm not sure there's any mental gymnastics possible to consider that a success for the country.

 

[jamil]

[video=youtube;PlkjS_SttHk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlkjS_SttHk[/video]

Fact check: True

 

[nonobaddog]

The police in some countries are testing, buying or already using high-tech chinese helmets that can measure other people's temperature so they can pick out people that have a fever.

That doesn't sound very effective since many people can be symptom-free with no fever and still be spreading the chinese virus.

https://activistmommy.com/police-ar...9-fevers/?mc_cid=6702977f20&mc_eid=8c542f480d