CIVIL RELIGIOUS DISCUSSION: All things Islam...

[ATM]

jamil, you really should explore everything else arguments may be. You're limiting yourself terribly by assuming and applying only a single definition to every argument you encounter.

You know, I'll just feed that error.

 

[jamil]

jamil, you really should explore everything else arguments may be. You're limiting yourself terribly by assuming and applying only a single definition to every argument you encounter.

You know, I'll just feed that error.

I'm applying the applicable.

 

[ATM]

I'm applying the applicable.

You're limiting yourself to irrelevance on this topic, just as you've done with others.

I know you.

 

[jamil]

You're limiting yourself to irrelevance on this topic, just as you've done with others.

I know you.

You're entitled to your opinions. I'm still waiting for you to answer my last post. I'd especially like for you to explain why I should believe in angels as opposed to, say, unicorn dust. I'm not saying that to offend Christians. But if you're going to argue that I'm not being reasonable for doubting that there are angels, it's fair to make that comparison.

 

[ATM]

You're entitled to your opinions. I'm still waiting for you to answer my last post. I'd especially like for you to explain why I should believe in angels as opposed to, say, unicorn dust. I'm not saying that to offend Christians. But if you're going to argue that I'm not being reasonable for doubting that there are angels, it's fair to make that comparison.

I never said you should believe in angels, and why do you think I'd respect that belief if you did?

Unreasonable and irrelevant. I rest my case.

 

[jamil]

I never said you should believe in angels, and why do you think I'd respect that belief if you did?

Unreasonable and irrelevant. I rest my case.

Well, you kinda used it as a sort of premise, so...

That's okay. You wanna let it go, okay.

 

[ATM]

Well, you kinda used it as a sort of premise, so...

That's okay. You wanna let it go, okay.

Let what go? Did you come here to discuss Islam or chatter? This is sorta serious and you don't even seem interested in the topic.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Quick side note, borrowing from the Ariana Grande bombing thread, regarding what to call the Muslims who are islamofascists. Other than islamofascists.

It occurred to me that it might be helpful for non-Muslims to think of it in roughly the same terms that other Muslims use. In much the same way that Christianity has different denominations, so does Islam. That is an important distinction (IMHO) for non-Muslims to consider.

So, hyper-generalized guide to Islam (this is not a history lesson - there are plenty of interwebz resources for that) by me, open to correction (in good faith).

Sunni - the largest group of Muslims, about 85%. Don't recognize a central authority, decisions made at a local level. Countries: Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, Indonesia (although a separate sub-group).

Shia - about 10%, mostly in Iran, Iraq, Pakistan and India. Have a centralized hierarchy with more emphasis placed on religious leaders for guidance.

Salafism - technically a subgroup of Sunni, but is a convenient label for the more extremely fundamentalist Islam. Daesh and Al Qaeda are considered Salafist Sunni.

A hypothetical was posted in the other thread about asking all "True Muslims" to stand up, and all of them do, regardless of extremist views. Perhaps the better example is to hypothetically ask which group of Muslims?

Perhaps there can be a consensus that, generally, Salafists are the "problem"?

Then, in this thread in particular, we could discuss the more generally accepted, non-extremist beliefs?

What do you do with the fact that (Shi'a-dominated) Iran is the world's largest state sponsor of terrorism?

 

[ArcadiaGP]

What do you do with the fact that (Shi'a-dominated) Iran is the world's largest state sponsor of terrorism?

Not sure how much say the people have over their leadership, in that case.

That, and I'm sure some of that sponsorship is being piped in through other countries (Russia).

 

[IndyDave1776]

Not sure how much say the people have over their leadership, in that case.

That, and I'm sure some of that sponsorship is being piped in through other countries (Russia).

I was addressing the fact that T.Lex excluded them from being part of the problem in spite of their being in first place.

 

[jamil]

Let what go? Did you come here to discuss Islam or chatter? This is sorta serious and you don't even seem interested in the topic.

Surely you know what "what" is. And you asserted "designer" into the conversation, from which the rest of our conversation followed.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Surely you know what "what" is. And you asserted "designer" into the conversation, from which the rest of our conversation followed.

Is this anything like Billy Jeff and the definition of 'is'?

 

[hog slayer]

oh! oh! This was in my time. I know this! President Clinton says.....

 

[ATM]

Surely you know what "what" is. And you asserted "designer" into the conversation, from which the rest of our conversation followed.

Go ahead and have a secular religious discussion about all things Islam, jamil. I'm sure it will challenge someone.

 

[jamil]

Is this anything like Billy Jeff and the definition of 'is'?

No. BJ did his "is" thing in an attempt to subvert a lie. I said what I said because I'm keying it in on an iPhone and I'm going for brevity.

 

[jamil]

Go ahead and have a secular religious discussion about all things Islam, jamil. I'm sure it will challenge someone.

Well. I said you may assert things and then walk away from answering questions about it. It's not like I'm going to be a dick about it.

 

[Lelliott8]

So now that we have established that Islam has been a curse to mankind for 1400 years, I'd like to ask the big questions...

Why?

How can we help those who have been deceived, or otherwise ruined by it?

 

[IndyDave1776]

No. BJ did his "is" thing in an attempt to subvert a lie. I said what I said because I'm keying it in on an iPhone and I'm going for brevity.

There you go being all serious when I am trying to be a wiseass!

 

[ArcadiaGP]

So now that we have established that Islam has been a curse to mankind for 1400 years, I'd like to ask the big questions...

Wait did I miss like 100 pages of this thread between lunchtime and now

 

[Lelliott8]

Wait did I miss like 100 pages of this thread between lunchtime and now

Oh, I must have just missed where someone gave some compelling evidence to the contrary.