Christians arrested 7 times for signs declaring homosexuality a sin

[Agent 007]

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[BloodEclipse]

So if these sexual behaviors are proven to be caused by a genetic flaw and the person has no control over it, are we then to condone it and allow for all manners of activity that we now deem immoral, illegal, or unusual?
People claim that pedophiles and most other sex offenders cannot be rehabilitated, so what are we to do?
If you argue that they still have to follow the law, know that most states have laws against Gay sex still on their books.

If it turns out to be "born with", what laws need we change?
It seems to me that the agenda has been to push the "born with" idea and force society to make concessions now, before we have determined if it is fact or not. It gets repeated so often many think it is fact already. I mean after all it is the compassionate thing to do right?

Surely if you disagree you must be a hater. No one can argue with all the non-facts out there. It's just like global warming so many people believe it's real it just has to be, even absent scientific study. Don't want to be labeled a DENIER do you?
Change your behavior now to save the planet don't wait on the facts.

 

[techres]

Everyone in a marriage has, or should have, made a choice on how to restrain their heterosexual urges, i.e. monogamy. In no way are we asked to choose to have a different urge (for the opposite sex), but we are asked to (1) keep that to someone 18 or older (in most states), (2) keep it out of the family, and (3) keep it to one other person (hard on the old school mormons and some middle eastern folks).

But in none of those cases are we asked to go gay. And Gays are not asking for us to. They want to choose within the same parameters just with members of their own gender. If you accept that, for whatever reason they are innately wired gay, then you are asking them to be celibate out of purely religious convictions and that will not survive a Constitutional check. Either the issue will go local and states will decide, or the issue will go to the gays. Frankly, come the next generation the issue will be moot. If you look at the numbers, even young more right wing leaning people, even gun owners, just aren't concerned about "getting teh ghey" as they put it. It just does not frighten them that much.

In two generations, gays will be just as boring as hetero's.

 

[Crystalship1]

Homosexuality is a sexual preference towards the same sex.
Being born with it is bunk.
Can Pedophiles claim the they were born with a sexual preference towards children?
Can people who practice bestiality claim they were born with a preference toward their favorite animal?
We all have sexual preferences and we choose which impulses to act upon. That is choice.
Many people have fantasies they would never act on, others act with out conscience.
These are all choices.
Some choose to abstain.
The idea that you were born to be gay would go against the species ability(instinct) to survive. Regardless if you believe in God or not, no species would survive if it's trait to reproduce was replaced with same sex behavior.

Where is your scientific proof on these assertions?

Provide what you demand!!!

As far as species survival, there are anomalies in all species, sexual or otherwise.

Unlike you (I'm sure) I have gay friends whom I have known for years. And after hearing their first hand life experiences I have come to believe that they did not have a choice. The only choice they had was to go against the feelings that they had all of their lives to try to live like society (i.e.: red-necks and bible thumpers) wanted them to.

Try to open your mind sometime. You may actually learn something and gain a friend in the bargain.!!!

 

[Agent 007]

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[BloodEclipse]

Everyone in a marriage has, or should have, made a choice on how to restrain their heterosexual urges, i.e. monogamy. In no way are we asked to choose to have a different urge (for the opposite sex), but we are asked to (1) keep that to someone 18 or older (in most states), (2) keep it out of the family, and (3) keep it to one other person (hard on the old school mormons and some middle eastern folks).

But in none of those cases are we asked to go gay. And Gays are not asking for us to. They want to choose within the same parameters just with members of their own gender. If you accept that, for whatever reason they are innately wired gay, then you are asking them to be celibate out of purely religious convictions and that will not survive a Constitutional check. Either the issue will go local and states will decide, or the issue will go to the gays. Frankly, come the next generation the issue will be moot. If you look at the numbers, even young more right wing leaning people, even gun owners, just aren't concerned about "getting teh ghey" as they put it. It just does not frighten them that much.

In two generations, gays will be just as boring as hetero's.

So why are we concerned about monogamy? I mean if we are using the "Consenting Adults" test, surely that would pass the grade.

So for those who are wired to have sex with their dog, we are supposed to do what? Accept it and let it too become boring in time?

So are you saying laws against sodomy are unconstitutional now or when we find out that being gay is not a choice?

 

[Agent 007]

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[Blue Tile Spook]

Did you know that bestiality was legal in Indiana until 2007?

LOL Yep, until the repeat offender with the dog!

 

[BloodEclipse]

LOL Yep, until the repeat offender with the dog!

In Oregon it is legal. The prosecution has to prove that the animal didn't like it or was harmed to make it illegal.

 

[rambone]

Talk about diverting from the OP...

 

[BloodEclipse]

Sodomy? Do you know that includes oral sex with the opposite sex? Better start locking up a lot of high schoolers. By the way, "sodomy" is not against the law in Indiana, unless there is "force," which would be classified as an offense titled "sexual deviate conduct." Again, just like homosexuality.....there has to be an unwilling victim in order for there to be a crime.

Yes I am aware of how the sodomy law reads.
Does no one see the slippery slope we are on here?
What is the age of consent across the US? It ranges between 16 and 18 depending on the state.
In Europe it starts around 13.
In this thread, https://www.indianagunowners.com/forums/politics_laws_and_2nd_amendment/50335-u_n_report_advocates_teaching_masturbation_to_5-year-olds.html ,
we see how they look to sexualize children.
We have also heard many things about Child Rights. This is all an attempt to lower age of consent and to take parenting away from parents and give it to the governments.

It's much easier to accept sexual deviation as normal once you have taken the first step. The goal is to make all forms acceptable and legal.

Just as we have with gun laws, we know each one is a step toward outlawing ownership entirely. If we say well that one isn't so bad, it only makes it easier to swallow the next one.

 

[techres]

So why are we concerned about monogamy? I mean if we are using the "Consenting Adults" test, surely that would pass the grade.

So for those who are wired to have sex with their dog, we are supposed to do what? Accept it and let it too become boring in time?

So are you saying laws against sodomy are unconstitutional now or when we find out that being gay is not a choice?

Concent is the linchpin. Dogs cannot consent. Children cannot concent. Adults can concent.

As for sodomy, most men I know only seem to have a problem when there's no woman involved (if you include both sides of the definition). So, if it is good for a consenting goose and a consenting gander in the privacy of their own nest, than who am I to fret other concenting pairings.

And as for non-monogamy, I do think monogamy is the building block of a stable society, but have not pushed for jail time for those having sex out of wedlock. Frankly, heterosexuals running around and rutting is FAR FAR more dangerous to society than gays. Gays cannot sire child after child and abandon them to the welfare state to feed, house, and some day arrest.

And, yeah, this is quite the divergence, and one we have had before.

 

[ATF Consumer]

I really don't get it...
This is America...we are free to CHOOSE our own lifestyle.
To say that a person is trapped within a particular boundary of sexual attraction is just crazy talk...that sounds like a bleeding heart liberals cry.
That's no different than saying you are addicted to smoking or porn...
Those that CHOOSE to be homosexual, do just that...CHOOSE.
If homosexuals are "born that way" then pedophiles are also "born that way". Of course, homosexuals will argue differently, as they don't want to be categorized in with pedophiles, but if one is flawed that way, then you can't give some other crap reason as to why the others aren't flawed the very same.
That's just satire, as again...this is a free country and we are all free to CHOOSE our sexual desires. Some are deemed illegal by society...rightly so.
If you are of legal age, your choice should be between you and your consenting other.
FYI...dogs and horses cannot give consent...but I'm sure there is some sicko out there trying to prove that they can give it.

 

[Agent 007]

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[BloodEclipse]

Frankly, heterosexuals running around and rutting is FAR FAR more dangerous to society than gays. Gays cannot sire child after child and abandon them to the welfare state to feed, house, and some day arrest.

And, yeah, this is quite the divergence, and one we have had before.

I disagree, gays cannot produce the offspring required to keep a culture or society alive. Birth rates for many countries are so low, that if there is not some form of turnaround, we will see the deaths of many cultures. Western (Modern) culture seems to be in the most trouble.

 

[teknickle]

Do we need permission to practice our religion? NO
Do we need permission to make a poster? NO
Do we need permission to write an article? NO
Do we need permission to not be illegally searched? NO
Do we need permission to have a speedy trial? NO
Do we need permission to have life, liberty, and pursue happiness? NO

General rule of thumb: if you have to ask permission, it is a PRIVILEGE and NOT A RIGHT.
Hence, the Constitutions outlines the INALIENABLE RIGHTS given to use by our CREATOR.
The brilliance of the founding fathers, regardless of religious views, is that if a higher being has granted you an unmovable right, then by what authority can any man take that away?

 

[spartan933]

The cops shouldn't be arresting people for protesting. That's BS. I don't agree with their with their anit-gay views, but they still have the right to organize. That's why this country is special. We can protest or disagree with others about various issues in whatever non-violent forum we wish to. We can think what we want and say what we want.

But, my question is: What about hot lesbians? Because I think that's kind of cool. Send your negative reps now.

 

[ATF Consumer]

I don't know about you, but there's no way in seven levels of Hades that I could ever "choose" to be gay. I am quite certain that I am hard-wired to pursue the female of the species.

Being that the attraction for the opposite sex is innate, the choice is rather easy....most of us have no problem making that choice. But, there are those that do choose to go down the other path...It is a choice they make...not much different than a teenager deciding to dress out of the norm, for attention or whatever other reason they may have.
Pedophiles also choose who the want to have sex with.
Car buffs choose what vehicle manufacturer they like.
We all choose what music we like to listen to. The world is full of choices.

The thing that really cracks me up are those that choose to be homosexual and then also adjust their voice to match their lifestyle...for males, forcing it to a higher pitch than they were physically developed to speak. Just as the female homosexuals attempt to speak in a lower and sometimes "tougher" voice.
Of course, some even dress and "act" the part for the role they wish they were. And then there are those that go to the extreme and alter their bodies to fit that role. I really think these are people who would do great in theater.
If homosexuals are born that way, then is it possible that I am a lesbian, trapped inside a man's body?

 

[techres]

Being that the attraction for the opposite sex is innate, the choice is rather easy....most of us have no problem making that choice. But, there are those that do choose to go down the other path...It is a choice they make...not much different than a teenager deciding to dress out of the norm, for attention or whatever other reason they may have.
Pedophiles also choose who the want to have sex with.
Car buffs choose what vehicle manufacturer they like.
We all choose what music we like to listen to. The world is full of choices.

The thing that really cracks me up are those that choose to be homosexual and then also adjust their voice to match their lifestyle...for males, forcing it to a higher pitch than they were physically developed to speak. Just as the female homosexuals attempt to speak in a lower and sometimes "tougher" voice.
Of course, some even dress and "act" the part for the role they wish they were. And then there are those that go to the extreme and alter their bodies to fit that role. I really think these are people who would do great in theater.
If homosexuals are born that way, then is it possible that I am a lesbian, trapped inside a man's body?

How many gays do you actually know? I mean, broken bread with kind of know.

 

[ATF Consumer]

How many gays do you actually know? I mean, broken bread with kind of know.

I know one somewhat well...

He was married to his lovely wife for 10 years, then out of nowhere...had a few encounters with his male coworkers and soon after left his wife to join the fruits of homosexuality. (pun intended)
Also shortly afterward, he started to act and speak in his newly found deviation.

Before he choose to go homosexual, he did manage to bring a wonder life into existence, but since he changed his sexual role, he could no longer reproduce in that manner.

I try not to break bread with homosexuals...just not a very productive relationship...if you know what I mean.