Carried illegally last night.

[Bill of Rights]

Thank you all. I didn't post it for rep, though I appreciate it. I posted it because I want it very clear that while we support his right to free speech, we view his behavior as reprehensible.

Scutter's said quite a few times that "Gun owners are among the most law-abiding people you'll ever meet... until they find a law with which they don't agree." For most of us, the first part of that, prior to the ellipsis, is the only true part of it. We, like all other groups of people, have our aberrancies.

I think it a credit to us as a group and us as a board that so many spoke against his actions, both in Cincinnati and here.

I love this board.

Blessings,
Bill

 

[youngda9]

2 BACON BADGES FOR THAT.

mmmm....bacon. We bake our bacon...350 degrees in the oven on a tinfoil lined cookie sheet for 20-30 minutes depending on how well done you like it, extra crispy for me. No hot splatters to deal with(burns and clean-up) and you just throw away the tinfoil it's setting on to clean up(or you can use the tinfoil for a bacon scented tinfoil hat if you'd like)...simplest way to make we've found to consume the greatest food in the world.

And now back to your regularly scheduled discussion. I have my popcorn popped...with bacon grease topping instead of butter

 

[Sgood]

mmmm....bacon. We bake our bacon...350 degrees in the oven on a tinfoil lined cookie sheet for 20-30 minutes depending on how well done you like it, extra crispy for me. No hot splatters to deal with(burns and clean-up) and you just throw away the tinfoil it's setting on to clean up(or you can use the tinfoil for a bacon scented tinfoil hat if you'd like)...simplest way to make we've found to consume the greatest food in the world.

And now back to your regularly scheduled discussion. I have my popcorn popped...with bacon grease topping instead of butter

The extra large forman grill is great for the same reasons!!!

 

[jmiller676]

What???? No silvers for all, is this not becoming a socialistic country....if one gets....shoudn't we all???


Standing with hand out wandering why I have to work for it........I mean take it from the rep rich and give it to the poor!!!

Just for that I give rep.

 

[youngda9]

The extra large forman grill is great for the same reasons!!!

I don't have a Forman grill...I imagine that contains the splatter. With the oven method there is no splatter at all, but you do lose out on the bacon frying sound effects with the oven method...and that just might be too much for some people to handle

 

[lashicoN]

Thank you all. I didn't post it for rep, though I appreciate it. I posted it because I want it very clear that while we support his right to free speech, we view his behavior as reprehensible.

Reprehensible? Honestly, Bill? That's disappointing and I completely disagree. Not to reiterate anything, because I didn't read all 22 pages of this thread, but how is carrying a firearm for self defense ever reprehensible?

What I find truly reprehensible are the laws in place that make an honest man a criminal, simply for carrying a tool of self defense. I find it reprehensible that people who clamber for freedom spit on a man who is capable of defending himself, taking his own defense in his own hands, instead of relying on someone else. These are some sad times we live in, when a guy can't cross state lines, with a tool, without risking jail time from his own government and reprehension from his fellow countrymen.

"Home of the brave" , my ***.

 

[youngda9]

What I find truly reprehensible are the laws in place that make an honest man a criminal, simply for carrying a tool of self defense.

Your sentence begins with the premise of an "honest man" being made a criminal...which an incorrect premise. The OP knowingly broke the law which he has been admonished for. Then for some reason he decided to tell the world about it

I think there is a distinction being made between someone legally carrying and unknowingly breaking some local law(which is now not an issue in Indiana), and knowingly breaking the law.

 

[HighStrung]

Reprehensible? Honestly, Bill? That's disappointing and I completely disagree. Not to reiterate anything, because I didn't read all 22 pages of this thread, but how is carrying a firearm for self defense ever reprehensible?

What I find truly reprehensible are the laws in place that make an honest man a criminal, simply for carrying a tool of self defense. I find it reprehensible that people who clamber for freedom spit on a man who is capable of defending himself, taking his own defense in his own hands, instead of relying on someone else. These are some sad times we live in, when a guy can't cross state lines, with a tool, without risking jail time from his own government and reprehension from his fellow countrymen.

"Home of the brave" , my ***.

While there are some aspects of this in which I agree, it's the overall reason to disregard the law that I have issues with. He didn't go to Ohio to pick up a family member who's car had broken down in a bad part of town. He went there to party/bar hop. Now I don't have an issue with this by itself either, it's the combination of breaking the law for the desire to go bar hopping that just doesn't sit well with me. As we fight for our freedoms (at the ballot box or by writing letters or whatever) it's situations such as these that turn into ammo to be used against our cause. Him carrying to OH wasn't an attempt to "make others understand our Constitutional rights", it was about him being bigger than the law and that the rules don't apply to him. Tell my how his behavior helped get our freedoms "Rights" back in any way? What did it prove and to whom? Lash-I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm 100% that I think it's bull**** that we should have to have a permit, or that we have to have a barrel of 18"+ on this and that. But me disagreeing doesn't change law. We hold police officers strickly to the law when the flaming starts here, we demand that they be held to standards and must always act within the law. So how can we support someone who's thoughtfully and intentionally broken the law? He's only held by the laws he agrees with? Thats acceptable to you? What about when he's at your house, your house your rules would apply if I were in your house. What if he doesn't like you rules and chooses to do as he wishes, is that acceptable? I'm not saying I like the rules we all have to deal with, but I'm not out trying to lose my right to protect my family/myself by breaking laws intentionally.

 

[UncleMike]

Reprehensible? Honestly, Bill? That's disappointing and I completely disagree. Not to reiterate anything, because I didn't read all 22 pages of this thread, but how is carrying a firearm for self defense ever reprehensible?

What I find truly reprehensible are the laws in place that make an honest man a criminal, simply for carrying a tool of self defense. I find it reprehensible that people who clamber for freedom spit on a man who is capable of defending himself, taking his own defense in his own hands, instead of relying on someone else. These are some sad times we live in, when a guy can't cross state lines, with a tool, without risking jail time from his own government and reprehension from his fellow countrymen.

"Home of the brave" , my ***.

You're free to leave anytime.

 

[jmiller676]

I think the problem is that some members may carry into areas knowingly breaking that law and are willing to deal with the consequences of that law. Although, they don't brag here about it. As stated before by HS probably a case of bar hopping/partying. And they chose to carry a firearm illegally (no matter how stupid the law is) and came here and bragged about it. There's a difference between carrying to Ohio willing to defend you and your family without the proper paperwork and carrying to Ohio to be cool while drinking.

 

[Westside]

You're free to leave anytime.

^^^^This^^^^^^

 

[Stainer]

I'm just waiting for the next thread to be "-1 for CPD" or "Rights violated in Cincinatti" and the post going something along the lines of "I was doing something I knew was wrong, but the 2A trumps all, I got stopped, arrested, gun confiscated, and sat in jail for a few days. Now I can't carry in Indiana." And looking for sympathy. You are a big boy and wear big boy pants, but be prepared for when something does happen and you have to trade those big boy pants for a pair of orange ones.

 

[jmiller676]

I'm just waiting for the next thread to be "-1 for CPD" or "Rights violated in Cincinatti" and the post going something along the lines of "I was doing something I knew was wrong, but the 2A trumps all, I got stopped, arrested, gun confiscated, and sat in jail for a few days. Now I can't carry in Indiana." And looking for sympathy. You are a big boy and wear big boy pants, but be prepared for when something does happen and you have to trade those big boy pants for a pair of orange ones.

Big boys don't brag about illegal ****. They just carry on and mind their own damn business. Something the OP forgot to do.

 

[lashicoN]

Your sentence begins with the premise of an "honest man" being made a criminal...which an incorrect premise. The OP knowingly broke the law which he has been admonished for. Then for some reason he decided to tell the world about it

I think there is a distinction being made between someone legally carrying and unknowingly breaking some local law(which is now not an issue in Indiana), and knowingly breaking the law.

I disagree. I think he was an honest man, legally carrying, under protection of the United States Constitution.

Amendment II
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

The current laws which infringe on his right to keep and bear arms are what I consider illegal, not his actions. I know there isn't a judge in this country who agrees with me, but that doesn't make me any less correct. Our government is violating our Constitution on both a State and Federal level. It's a sick joke when our government breaks the law (Constitution) by creating a new, unconstitutional, law, which causes citizens to break the law (the new unconstitutional law, that is) and then throw THE PEOPLE in jail for it. We should be jailing up the people who propose, pass, and enforce this garbage instead of listening to them, throwing each other under the bus, and acting like it's all OK. They are and have been completely abolishing our Constitution. If they don't play by the rules, why should we? We own them.

You're free to leave anytime.

Funny you say that, Mike. I'm not free to leave at any time. I don't have a passport. Anyway, I wouldn't last a day in any other country. They would lock me up ASAP for my opinions.

Just a quick question though, is, "you're free to leave anytime" the official fall back comment when you have nothing else to say and can't come up with a real argument? I'm curious.

 

[UncleMike]

I disagree. I think he was an honest man, legally carrying, under protection of the United States Constitution.

Amendment II
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

The current laws which infringe on his right to keep and bear arms are what I consider illegal, not his actions. I know there isn't a judge in this country who agrees with me, but that doesn't make me any less correct. Our government is violating our Constitution on both a State and Federal level. It's a sick joke when our government breaks the law (Constitution) by creating a new, unconstitutional, law, which causes citizens to break the law (the new unconstitutional law, that is) and then throw THE PEOPLE in jail for it. We should be jailing up the people who propose, pass, and enforce this garbage instead of listening to them, throwing each other under the bus, and acting like it's all OK. They are and have been completely abolishing our Constitution. If they don't play by the rules, why should we? We own them.



Funny you say that, Mike. I'm not free to leave at any time. I don't have a passport. Anyway, I wouldn't last a day in any other country. They would lock me up ASAP for my opinions.

Just a quick question though, is, "you're free to leave anytime" the official fall back comment when you have nothing else to say and can't come up with a real argument? I'm curious.

Nope.
I just thought I'd mention an option since you act like you're stuck here.
Passports are easy to get.
This isn't Cuba ya know.

 

[Bill of Rights]

I disagree. I think he was an honest man, legally carrying, under protection of the United States Constitution.

Amendment II
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

The current laws which infringe on his right to keep and bear arms are what I consider illegal, not his actions. I know there isn't a judge in this country who agrees with me, but that doesn't make me any less correct. Our government is violating our Constitution on both a State and Federal level. It's a sick joke when our government breaks the law (Constitution) by creating a new, unconstitutional, law, which causes citizens to break the law (the new unconstitutional law, that is) and then throw THE PEOPLE in jail for it. We should be jailing up the people who propose, pass, and enforce this garbage instead of listening to them, throwing each other under the bus, and acting like it's all OK. They are and have been completely abolishing our Constitution. If they don't play by the rules, why should we? We own them.



Funny you say that, Mike. I'm not free to leave at any time. I don't have a passport. Anyway, I wouldn't last a day in any other country. They would lock me up ASAP for my opinions.

Just a quick question though, is, "you're free to leave anytime" the official fall back comment when you have nothing else to say and can't come up with a real argument? I'm curious.

The laws also are wrong. That said, they are still the laws. If we want to make any headway in reversing them, we MUST work from within them. To intentionally violate them and to then brag about it is what I was referring to as reprehensible. As to your belief that "we own them"... no, we do not. We can sometimes control their keeping their jobs, but we do not own them.

Lastly, you most certainly ARE free to leave. The passport, IIRC, only controls you being allowed to return. As for you not lasting in another country, that would also be your choice... you just don't like the option available to you: You can have the laws we have here, that you have a potential to change in one or another way, or you can go elsewhere where you "wouldn't last a day", by your own admission. I can't speak to Mike's use of your freedom to leave as an argument, but quite simply, the choice is in your hands. It's easy to decry the current laws and much harder to work to change them. Maybe you do both, I don't know. If you don't do the latter, though, I don't see that you have much room to complain about them.

Blessings,
Bill

 

[Sgood]

The laws also are wrong. That said, they are still the laws. If we want to make any headway in reversing them, we MUST work from within them. To intentionally violate them and to then brag about it is what I was referring to as reprehensible. As to your belief that "we own them"... no, we do not. We can sometimes control their keeping their jobs, but we do not own them.

Lastly, you most certainly ARE free to leave. The passport, IIRC, only controls you being allowed to return. As for you not lasting in another country, that would also be your choice... you just don't like the option available to you: You can have the laws we have here, that you have a potential to change in one or another way, or you can go elsewhere where you "wouldn't last a day", by your own admission. I can't speak to Mike's use of your freedom to leave as an argument, but quite simply, the choice is in your hands. It's easy to decry the current laws and much harder to work to change them. Maybe you do both, I don't know. If you don't do the latter, though, I don't see that you have much room to complain about them.

Blessings,
Bill

all i have to say!!

 

[T.Lex]

I recently traveled the Southeast. Looked up the CC laws, and there was only one state (SC) where I would be illegal. But, they allow "transport" of weapons in the luggage area of the vehicle. So, I stowed the Glock 23 in my backpack in the trunk area of the minivan.

I will admit, it sucked. I felt a visceral reaction to being denied the right to carry that I've exercised almost daily for the last 18 years or so. I was sorely tempted to CC anyway. I can certainly sympathize (mostly) with the OP.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Or . . . we could work within the law to change the laws of Ohio and South Carolina. Like I did in Texas . . . oh, wait, I'm on probation for raising that excessively.

If Ohio won't recongize us, it stinks, but we have ways around that denial by applying for Florida license, etc. We can help our neighbors in Ohio by joining and sending money to the Buckeye Firearms Assoication or the Ohio Rile and Pistol Association.

If you are not a mamber, join now. It's cheaper than bail and lawyers and joining will not revoke your carry license in Indiana.

 

[lashicoN]

The laws also are wrong. That said, they are still the laws. If we want to make any headway in reversing them, we MUST work from within them. To intentionally violate them and to then brag about it is what I was referring to as reprehensible. As to your belief that "we own them"... no, we do not. We can sometimes control their keeping their jobs, but we do not own them.

I didn't mean we own the lawmakers, I meant we own the laws.

These laws are the entire problem. If our governments would adhere to their Constitutions, we wouldn't be having this discussion. I don't believe in obeying the law for the sake of obeying the law. Laws, in this country, are supposed to be put in place to protect life and liberty, to preserve order, and to make balance by having everyone on the same level. This isn't the system we currently have. Laws are used to control Americans, to rob them, and aren't enforced evenly across the board. Police officers get to carry in IL while I would be thrown in jail for it. That is totally un American, and yet still "legal" according to our current law proposers, makers, and enforcers. We are all supposed to have the same rights.

Our government is not doing its job. They have hired themselves as our babysitters, without the people's consent. Unjust laws, like laws banning the use of firearms as a mean of defending your very life, and the life of your family, are disgusting, un American, and should absolutely not be obeyed. If the law required you to murder people, would you work within that system to change the law or would make the correct choice and simply disobey the law? You can negotiate with these freedom terrorists if you want to. I won't.