Call Dan Coats office today

[Shadowbeach]

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[HICKMAN]

id venture to say that hostetler was the only candidate in the top three that got all intended supporter votes. coats and stutzman obviously were boosted by democrats votes. i hope hostetler runs as an indipendant

That would be risky, but I'd vote for him. I still don't know a single friend that voted for Coats.

We need voter registration cards with Repub or Dem listed for primaries, this last race was ridiculous.

 

[HICKMAN]

Shadowbeach, you & I are thinking just alike. While it'll make me sick to vote for Coats, any other vote for this position is actually the anti 2nd Amendment vote. If the Dem is in the seat - it helps gives the Dems the power to push their progressive agenda, which includes gun control. You have to look past the trees to see the whole forest.

Yup, too much at stake right now. This election could literally make or break our country. We can't have another term with Dems in control, or we could quickly end up like Greece and the rest of Europe.

I don't like Coats, but there is far more at stake here than previous 2A issues with him.

I will put my personal issues with him aside and vote for what I think is in the best interest of Indiana and the United States of America... and that is making sure Ellsworth does not get elected.

I have already been working on many.... and I mean MANY of the Dems I work with. Asking how they think Obama's doing, what they think of Congress ramming the Health Care bill through with less than 60 votes and more recently how they liked NOT getting to vote for their choice in Senator in the primary.

I didn't vote for Coats, but his values are far closer to mine than Ellsworth.

 

[HICKMAN]

I just clicked the "like" button on Coats Facebook page to keep up with his campaign.

I shuttered like one does when Styrofoam rubs together....

 

[Cornbread]

Please don't take this the wrong way and here is the way I see it.

On the 2A issue (battle) we have lost it already in terms of being able to get a INDIANA SENATOR who is Pro-2A. Sadly the only canidate left (3rd party Libertarian) can not win. So for now a tactical retreat must be done in order to re-group and replenish.

By staying behind (ie not voting for coats) yes it stays true to the principal of 2A but we loss you (Shadowbeach) in the over all war that we now have on our faces. (ie the complete change of America towards it's socialist path). The enemy (ie socialist) are everywhere and the patriotic thing now to do it do the tactical retreat and at least "slow down" the enemy forces by putting an R into the slot.

Yes it's a bad R for our core beliefs (Pro 2A) but it buys us time on the other issues and due to his age it's a one time run. By 2016 if we turn the war there will be more Rs in Congress and then we can look at putting a better 2A candiate when we have more breathing for so to speak.

The enemy of my enemy can be my friend you know. Even if I don't like him or what they believe in.

I agree with this. Also a 3rd party vote will just pull R votes away and allow a D to win. The it will be 2 more years of the same. Tearing down of America

 

[tskin]

Yup, too much at stake right now. This election could literally make or break our country. We can't have another term with Dems in control, or we could quickly end up like Greece and the rest of Europe.

I don't like Coats, but there is far more at stake here than previous 2A issues with him.

I will put my personal issues with him aside and vote for what I think is in the best interest of Indiana and the United States of America... and that is making sure Ellsworth does not get elected.

I have already been working on many.... and I mean MANY of the Dems I work with. Asking how they think Obama's doing, what they think of Congress ramming the Health Care bill through with less than 60 votes and more recently how they liked NOT getting to vote for their choice in Senator in the primary.

I didn't vote for Coats, but his values are far closer to mine than Ellsworth.

EXACTLY!

 

[Cowboy1629]

Yup, too much at stake right now. This election could literally make or break our country. We can't have another term with Dems in control, or we could quickly end up like Greece and the rest of Europe.

I don't like Coats, but there is far more at stake here than previous 2A issues with him.

I will put my personal issues with him aside and vote for what I think is in the best interest of Indiana and the United States of America... and that is making sure Ellsworth does not get elected.

I didn't vote for Coats, but his values are far closer to mine than Ellsworth.

I agree completely

 

[HICKMAN]

Coats sails to large lead over Ellsworth in IN

The more that Indiana voters see of Rep. Brad Ellsworth and the Democratic leadership in Congress, the more inclined they are to send former Senator Dan Coats to Washington. In the first post-primary survey of likely voters in the state, Coats has an 15-point lead over Ellsworth for a seat Evan Bayh easily held through two terms:

Hot Air Coats sails to large lead over Ellsworth in IN

 

[Shadowbeach]

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[tskin]

Lovely.

So what you guys are saying is, the Second Amendment "is" important, it just ain't "that" important (considering other things, and all).

Good for a man to know the company he keeps.

I think voting for Coats is the vote to make to protect the 2nd Amendment. The more R's there are, the more likely there'll be no action taken to hurt the 2nd Amendment. I thought we were on the same page?

 

[Prometheus]

I agree with this. Also a 3rd party vote will just pull R votes away and allow a D to win. The it will be 2 more years of the same. Tearing down of America

First the Senate is elected for 6 years. Coats will be 74 years old when he is up for election again... He's likely to be dead before he even needs to worry about reelection.

Moral, Character, Ethics... dan Coats is a proven liar on the second amendment, let alone a TRAITOR!

I don't know what some of you people have against Liberty and Freedom but I took an Oath to uphold and defend the Constitution. I can NOT vote for Dan Coats without violating that Oath.

So I will NOT vote for him.

 

[Shadowbeach]

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[tskin]

Really? Wow! I'm just (what is the word here?) blown away by this - are you really serious?. The SOB voted against the Second Amendment (TWICE) before. You think he's changed his mind???


As far as understanding - yes, and I respect your opinion (and the right to it), without question. As far as agreement, no, sorry, we're not.

Mr. Coats record on the Second Amendment is clear and concise. That is the "one" point upon which I "will not" waiver, ever!

Yep, I was wrong - it was someone else I was on the same page with, not you. Let me explain it again - I don't like Coats & I think he is not a 2nd Amendment supporter. However, the power of the Democrats lies in how many of them there are. If they're in power, they pick the agenda - which is very progressive & will include gun control. THEREFORE, I'm going to vote for the R, even if he's a RINO, to keep the Dems from being in the majority & running the agenda. The more Republicans you have, the more likely gun control won't even be an issue. Using that train of thought (whether you agree or not) is the reason I'm voting for the SOB that voted against the 2nd Amendment twice. I'm looking at the whole puzzle, not just one piece of it. You feel free to vote for Ellsworth, that's your choice & I'm fine with it (although I don't agree). If your candidate wins though, there's a higher liklihood that there'll be some anti 2nd Amendment legislation in our future.

 

[jedi]

Yep, I was wrong - it was someone else I was on the same page with, not you. Let me explain it again - I don't like Coats & I think he is not a 2nd Amendment supporter. However, the power of the Democrats lies in how many of them there are. If they're in power, they pick the agenda - which is very progressive & will include gun control. THEREFORE, I'm going to vote for the R, even if he's a RINO, to keep the Dems from being in the majority & running the agenda. The more Republicans you have, the more likely gun control won't even be an issue. Using that train of thought (whether you agree or not) is the reason I'm voting for the SOB that voted against the 2nd Amendment twice. I'm looking at the whole puzzle, not just one piece of it. You feel free to vote for Ellsworth, that's your choice & I'm fine with it (although I don't agree). If your candidate wins though, there's a higher liklihood that there'll be some anti 2nd Amendment legislation in our future.

This is basically what it boils down to.
Anti 2A legislation is coming after 2012 if
1) I7BO stays in office
2) The Ds still have a majority vote in congress

We can't "fix" #1 (yet) not until 2011 election. But #2 we can fix this NOV. Yes COATS is ANTi-2A but he won't side with them if the Rs are not in the MAJORITY. His own party won't let him.

@Prometheus,

Are you talking about the oath to protect the country?
If so then voting at all (now-a-days) would be a violation of it since all the rats are ruining this country.

However that said we must at time side with the enemy of my enemy in order to defeat the bigger enemy. We have no way of beating the Ds if they remain in the MAJORITY of power in Congress and White House. We can't "in fight" among ourselves (as Rs/Conservatives) and also fight the Ds at the same time. It's a two front battle which is suicide. So for the time being we do like Hitler (play nice with Russia) while he conquered Europe and then once Europe is done fight Russia. Take out 1 enemy at a time and the biggest enemy right now is not Coats it's the Ds and their agenda.

Think about it this way. We put a D in office and I bet you he will vote for the amnesty of those 11 million people. Do you think Coats will? I doubt if his party will let him.

 

[djl02]

Lovely.

So what you guys are saying is, the Second Amendment "is" important, it just ain't "that" important (considering other things, and all).

Good for a man to know the company he keeps.

I didnt say that,It was my first question,then the Constitution as a whole,then spending,What could be more important than the 2nd Admendment?

 

[Prometheus]

This is basically what it boils down to.
Anti 2A legislation is coming after 2012 if
1) I7BO stays in office
2) The Ds still have a majority vote in congress

We can't "fix" #1 (yet) not until 2011 election. But #2 we can fix this NOV. Yes COATS is ANTi-2A but he won't side with them if the Rs are not in the MAJORITY. His own party won't let him.

You mean like when he [STRIKE]didn't[/STRIKE] did cross party lines to vote for the AW ban?

@Prometheus,

Are you talking about the oath to protect the country?

Specifically the Constitution... google it if you aren't familiar with it.

If so then voting at all (now-a-days) would be a violation of it since all the rats are ruining this country.

For most major candidates, probably.

However that said we must at time side with the enemy of my enemy in order to defeat the bigger enemy. We have no way of beating the Ds if they remain in the MAJORITY of power in Congress and White House. We can't "in fight" among ourselves (as Rs/Conservatives) and also fight the Ds at the same time. It's a two front battle which is suicide. So for the time being we do like Hitler (play nice with Russia) while he conquered Europe and then once Europe is done fight Russia. Take out 1 enemy at a time and the biggest enemy right now is not Coats it's the Ds and their agenda.

Think about it this way. We put a D in office and I bet you he will vote for the amnesty of those 11 million people. Do you think Coats will? I doubt if his party will let him.

He's crossed party lines numerous times in the past. Why do you think this time around will be any different? Especially considering he'll be 74 when his term ends if he is elected.

 

[jedi]

You mean like when he [strike]didn't[/strike] did cross party lines to vote for the AW ban?

Who had the majority in Congress when the AWB was passed?
103rd United States Congress - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Ds but it's a toss up. We know the D IN candidate will vote for the AWB 2012. Coats may or may not depending on how much pressure his own party applies. If the Ds have the MAJORITY in 2012+ he will vote with them. If the D's don't have the MAJORITY he may not. It's a chance you take.

Putting the 2A issue aside he have a bigger battle in front of us that will be smacking us in the face before they get to 2A and with that said it's wise to begin to prepare for that fight now (cause if 11 million get citizenship) it's over for 2012 no matter who we put in from IN. The Ds will control congress/white house for 20+ years.

If you want to vote for the 3rd party, bozo the clown, or even the D that is OK that is your call. In my mind I won't label you worse than those that voted for I7BO (those are the bottom of the ladder BTW).

There are two kinds of soldiers: enlisted and officers. Neither is better than the other and both are needed to win a war. The enlisted in general have the passion, heart, and bravery to take the fight to the enemy face 2 face if need be and die for their country and/or fellow solider. The officers are more thinkers and look at the overall battlefield and know that by sending squad 1 straight up 75% will die but that sacrifice at times may be needed in order for squad 2 and 3 to flank and eliminate the enemy. It's a hard call to make because nobody wants to send someone to their death but at times it is needed to ensure that the bigger picture is completed.

Suspect that is what we have hear. You and others that are very passionate about ANTI-COATS are willing to go up the main road & die for the cause. Others of us are looking at the bigger image and see that a regroup is in order but that regroup can only be obtained with a price.

At that I'll leave it. I wish you luck and god speed while you take the fight up the main road. I'm going to do a tactical retreat for now.

 

[88GT]

Frankly, I'm just tired of voting against the worst candidate.

I was really hoping to be able to vote FOR a better candidate this time around. But of the 3, each has his/her glaring faults, and taken as a whole, not a single one stands out a hair's width over the others as better.

I'm so jaded at this point, I'm not even sure the "defeat the Dems" argument is worth much. With the likes of Coats, our slide to destruction has only been slowed, not stopped.

Greece in [STRIKE]10[/STRIKE] 20 years.

 

[Prometheus]

We'll have to agree to disagree on Dan 'the traitor' Coats....

As to this:

Putting the 2A issue aside he have a bigger battle in front of us that will be smacking us in the face before they get to 2A and with that said it's wise to begin to prepare for that fight now (cause if 11 million get citizenship) it's over for 2012 no matter who we put in from IN. The Ds will control congress/white house for 20+ years.

When Reagan legalized what was only going to be 2-3 million mexicans, the final number came out to nearly 10 million. Given the track record of washington dirtbags and the numbers being thrown around by ppl like limbaugh and Dobbs I'd say 20-30 million are more likely.

With that many entitlements mooches voting and procreating I'd say it's not 20 years, but it will be in D's in congress for perpetuity.

I do grasp the problems that lie ahead and being in the health care field, much more than most of you. They are much worse than many, including you, believe.

That is one reason why it's not going to matter a single iota if it's coats or ellsworth. The dies have been cast and the GOP (on a national level) is going to be vying for those illegal votes (in vain I might add) because they know they have suckers lined up they can always count on to tow the party line, no matter what. Suckers, like you.

These certainly are the times that try mens souls. Honestly for those of us who still think the Constitution means something, this is hardest time of our lives.

The Republic is, for all intents and purposes, lost. There WILL be immigration 'reform' passed either before the 2010 elections or before the new crop takes office in 2011. So you see, coats or ellsworth, it really does not matter.

 

[Shadowbeach]

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