Call Dan Coats office today

[esigler]

If only voters really checked these snakes out, hes not even a true Hoosier, nor does he want to live in IN!

 

[one more]

I can't stand Dick Lugar because he's a (D) in (R) "clothes". An Coats
is right there,,, they both suck. I won't be voting for Coats either, I don't
like reading their lips...I like reading there vote record. If Coats gets into
office it will be too late to watch him like a hawk, he won't care.

I agree 100%, Great post DragonGunner!

Coats is 66 (born May 16, 1943). Should he beat Ellsworth, he'll be 67 years old when he's sworn in to begin his 6 year term. I think Dragongunners last sentence is correct. Coats privately may feel that one term is enough, giving him no incentive to listen to any Hoosier voters on any issue. I for one will not believe any promise he makes.

MadBomber, great post, I agree with you!

If you call, also remind him that he got only 39.5% of the vote, that real conservatives (Hostettler & Stutzman) got 51.8% of the vote and that we'll be watching him very closely.

However, the result is NOT the same, Coats or Democrat. Individually, it's debatable. What isn't debatable is that the majority party gets committee chair assignments, confirms judicial appointees, etc., and a number of other procedural advantages.

Things do not look good! I will be checking out the 3rd parties! I will also be checking out post here to see what my fellow INGO Brothers have found!

 

[tskin]

Dan Coats was interviewed on Bill Bennett's 'Morning in America' radio show this morning. The very first caller was from Terre Haute and slammed Coats on the AWB vote he made.

That was me - "Troy from Terre Haute." My comment was basically "Senator, I think Indiana has great gun rules. I'd like to know where you stand on law abiding citizens carrying firearms, and if you support it, how do you justify your support for the AWB in the '90's?" His reply was basically "Good question Troy, and it's one I'm getting alot. I'm a solid supporter of the 2nd Amendment. During that time period, we were hearing from a lot of law enforement personnel concerning a rash of AK-47's hitting the streets & they wanted them banned. It was a temporary solution, and there's no need for it now. You can count on me."

I have a different take on not voting for him. I didn't vote for him in the primary, but feel I have to now. The Democrats power lies in their #'s. If they have the majority, they're going to push for gun control in Obama's next 2 years. If there are enough Republicans (even with some RINO's), that's not as likely to happen. If the votes are split between Coats & a 3rd party candidate, that'll open the door for Ellsworth & he's already proved he has the spine of a caterpillar.

 

[mad618]

That was me - "Troy from Terre Haute." My comment was basically "Senator, I think Indiana has great gun rules. I'd like to know where you stand on law abiding citizens carrying firearms, and if you support it, how do you justify your support for the AWB in the '90's?" His reply was basically "Good question Troy, and it's one I'm getting alot. I'm a solid supporter of the 2nd Amendment. During that time period, we were hearing from a lot of law enforement personnel concerning a rash of AK-47's hitting the streets & they wanted them banned. It was a temporary solution, and there's no need for it now. You can count on me."

I have a different take on not voting for him. I didn't vote for him in the primary, but feel I have to now. The Democrats power lies in their #'s. If they have the majority, they're going to push for gun control in Obama's next 2 years. If there are enough Republicans (even with some RINO's), that's not as likely to happen. If the votes are split between Coats & a 3rd party candidate, that'll open the door for Ellsworth & he's already proved he has the spine of a caterpillar.

I agree, that's my way of thinking also

 

[Prometheus]

"Good question Troy, and it's one I'm getting alot. I'm a solid supporter of the 2nd Amendment. During that time period, we were hearing from a lot of law enforement personnel concerning a rash of AK-47's hitting the streets & they wanted them banned. LIE! Not only were there not an AK-47's hitting the street, not a single AK-47 was affected by the AW ban! It was a temporary solution, to what? and there's no need for it now. Need? My Rights are not predicated on your imaginary "needs" You can count on me."

How in the heck can you believe that bull%^&? What he's saying is if it's "needed" again he'll vote for another ban because it's "needed".

I can't fathom anyone not seeing thru this tap dance.

 

[CarmelHP]

In 1994, Dan Coats promised, vowed, in Fort Wayne to vote against the assault weapon ban and then, the same week, flew back to DC and voted for it. He lied in 1994, he's lying now, and I don't buy it.

 

[TopDog]

You can never believe what a politician tells you. But you can always evaluate them by their past performance. A leopard cannot change its spots. I will never vote for Coats.

 

[tskin]

How in the heck can you believe that bull%^&? What he's saying is if it's "needed" again he'll vote for another ban because it's "needed".

I can't fathom anyone not seeing thru this tap dance.

I never said I believe it, I was just telling the jist of the conversation - my question & his answer.

 

[Shadowbeach]

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[schafe]

What if 30,000 people wrote in 'Bozo the Clown' rather than voting for Coats?

The famous WGN Bozo ...Larry Harmon... Died at the age of 83 in 2008. So would that be ghost employment?

 

[jedi]

So let me understand this, you're gonna vote for a guy who:

1) Betrayed the Second Amendment not once, but twice (Brady and '94 AWB)

2) Doesn't believe him when he tells you he wouldn't vote that way again because there is "no need" for it now

... because you feel you "have" to?

I'm sorry, but I just don't get that, bud.

Your choice, your right, your vote. I just feel differently.

@Shadowbeach
What tskin is now looking at is the greater picture. Put aside the 2A issue of the canidate (ie . Coats) and look at make up of Congress right now. On all the major issues (Health Care, Finance Reform) it's coming down to a party split. All the R are against what the D want.

So if Coat loses we have just given the Ds the same number of seat they had in the Senate before. If Coats wins then the Ds loss a seat and thus ensures that some of their more damaging "major issues" (Cap & Trade, Bank Reform, Immigration Reform) won't get passed.

2A is not a major issue right now. It may be in 2012-2016 if I7BO stays in office. But the next big ones are Cap & Trade (green house credits), Immigration, and Bank Reform.

So the question becomes do you want to vote for "3rd party who may or may not win" and allow a D to take the spot which in turn means Cap & Trade pass (which will jack up our economy), immigration reform passes (ie. 10 million illegals are given ammensty), and Bank Reform is donw (kiss your 401K goodbye).

So do you want these to pass all because your 2A issues is "more" important in your mind right now for you?

"you" meaning any voter thinking of not voting to put an R in office right now.

Yes Coats is BAD for 2A and he is liying about it. But 2A issue won't be coming up for a vote for at least 4 years from now IF AND ONLY IF I7Bo wins. Yet we do have some very serious damaging votes that are coming where a D will vote for them but an R won't.

That is the delima we now have.

 

[kludge]

Instead, why don't we get Stutzman or Hostettler to run 3rd party. And donate a lot of money to the campaign.

If just ONE of the two ran we could prevent Coats from getting into office. Although we still might end up with a Democrat.

 

[Bigum1969]

Instead, why don't we get Stutzman or Hostettler to run 3rd party. And donate a lot of money to the campaign.

If just ONE of the two ran we could prevent Coats from getting into office. Although we still might end up with a Democrat.

Might?

You WILL end up with a democrat. Geesh.

 

[Shadowbeach]

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[jedi]

I know - I can rationalize the argument. I think for me, it "does" come down to that "one" thing (2A) that I cannot get past. If one, as a gun owner and 2A supporter can get past that, I have to respect it (or at least have an appreciation for the argument and the political strategy). But I can't bring myself to vote that way. Admittedly not a big picture strategy, but it is what it is.


I don't "want" them to pass, but yeah - 2A issues is "most" important in my mind.

Please don't take this the wrong way and here is the way I see it.

On the 2A issue (battle) we have lost it already in terms of being able to get a INDIANA SENATOR who is Pro-2A. Sadly the only canidate left (3rd party Libertarian) can not win. So for now a tactical retreat must be done in order to re-group and replenish.

By staying behind (ie not voting for coats) yes it stays true to the principal of 2A but we loss you (Shadowbeach) in the over all war that we now have on our faces. (ie the complete change of America towards it's socialist path). The enemy (ie socialist) are everywhere and the patriotic thing now to do it do the tactical retreat and at least "slow down" the enemy forces by putting an R into the slot.

Yes it's a bad R for our core beliefs (Pro 2A) but it buys us time on the other issues and due to his age it's a one time run. By 2016 if we turn the war there will be more Rs in Congress and then we can look at putting a better 2A candiate when we have more breathing for so to speak.

The enemy of my enemy can be my friend you know. Even if I don't like him or what they believe in.

 

[CarmelHP]

Instead, why don't we get Stutzman or Hostettler to run 3rd party. And donate a lot of money to the campaign.

If just ONE of the two ran we could prevent Coats from getting into office. Although we still might end up with a Democrat.

Indiana has a "sore loser" law, if you lose in the primary for a seat, you can't then run on another ticket or as an independent for the same seat.

 

[Shadowbeach]

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[tskin]

Shadowbeach, you & I are thinking just alike. While it'll make me sick to vote for Coats, any other vote for this position is actually the anti 2nd Amendment vote. If the Dem is in the seat - it helps gives the Dems the power to push their progressive agenda, which includes gun control. You have to look past the trees to see the whole forest.

 

[djl02]

I called his as well,asked a few questions,he is saying hes Pro 2nd admendment. If nothing else maybe,if he hears it enough, it will sink in some way, some how. Not that Im voting for him. Dont hurt to call and voice your concerns,wish everyone would do it. I will tell all my grown kids to take a couple minutes out of their day to make a statement and show concern for our State and Republic. Cant hurt.

 

[kludge]

I called his as well,asked a few questions,he is saying hes Pro 2nd admendment.

Mayor Ballard is too... by his own account.