Blackhawk Serpa holsters banned...

[esrice]

Sorry, maybe I wasn't being clear.

No I gotcha.

 

[RBrianHarless]

Absolutely love Blackhawk Serpa holsters. Was shown by another instructor where a piece of stick jammed in the locking mechanism can cause it to malfunction. I do not see myself rolling around on the ground while trying to draw my firearm. Could happen, but I will still wear a Serpa and will continue to purchase them.

 

[Fargo]

Is it just me or is the Serpa debate becoming like the gay rights debates in this country?

It's not good enough to tolerate a Serpa and not say anything. If you don't like it you will be berated for your fouled opinion. It's as if no one has the right to not like the Serpa, you're plain wrong if you don't believe it's the best thing going and the debates won't end until everyone claims that they love the Serpa.

Lol

Who has been berated?

Who said it was the "best"?

Who said that disliking it was wrong?

How you got those 3 things from this discussion is beyond me...

 

[esrice]

How you got those 3 things from this discussion is beyond me...

He may be pulling from previous threads involving the Serpa.

https://www.indianagunowners.com/forums/accessories_and_gear/38654-to_serpa_or_not_to_serpa.html

https://www.indianagunowners.com/forums/accessories_and_gear/82846-blackhawk_serpa_holsters.html

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...ear/158091-larry_vickers_shuns_the_serpa.html

 

[phylodog]

I wasn't referring to this thread alone. It's an observation gathered from several threads across several different gun forums.

It's become the latest Ford vs Chevy, Remington vs Savage, Glock vs 1911 debate and I find it entertaining how emotional some get about this particular topic.

 

[RabbleRouser]

I own several SERPA holsters and the release button is directly over the SLIDE not the trigger, you don't need to mash down the button either you only need to brush your index finger across it as you are drawing witch will leave the trigger finger resting i=on the slide pointing to the "business end" of the gun

 

[bwframe]

So why do those that choose the Serpa carry with them?
Job requirement?
Personal retention - ie jumping jacks and falls?
CQC retention?
OC?

 

[LongRangeBushy]

Im with RabbleRouser-- My index finger is only slide and in no way ever requires enough pressure to actually stay on the frame long enough or hard enough to enter the Trigger guard at anytime..... Likewise i appreciate both sides of the issue and repeat healthy discussionand experience is how we learn....... At the risk of being rude or bashed by the masses one can only wonder how many negative comments come from non users that pick up on a different opinion and run with it... For me I just know i have a lot of training with a Serpa and in various forms of stress training and with good training my only complaint about the serpa is that under stress i tend to completely miss the release by riding my index finger too high on the slide. Never had an issue that after the draw my index finger was bent enough to enter the trigger guard... I say train with what you like and train hard.. it always comes down to personal preferrences .

 

[rbrthenderson]

I own several SERPA holsters and the release button is directly over the SLIDE not the trigger, you don't need to mash down the button either you only need to brush your index finger across it as you are drawing witch will leave the trigger finger resting i=on the slide pointing to the "business end" of the gun

Yes. Under perfect, non-stress environments, your finger gently brushes the release mechanism and ends up on the slide.

Now, go under a stress environment and attempt to draw. Your movements are violent, fast and aggressive. Not much gentle anything. Especially if you miss the mechanism or pull up before you've disengaged the retention. Now the gun won't come out of the holster and many users will mash down the button on the side. That's where you end up with issues.

Yes, under perfect environments with no dirt or sand in the mechanism and with enough training and practice, the SERPA works. I would just prefer to put my training time into something other that operating my holster. With my holsters, I grip the gun and pull and I'm on my way.

 

[Double T]

It also depends on once the gun is "broken loose" if you angle the gun (which is bad IMO)

If you rotate the gun muzzle to the front with the finger still dragging the holster I can see where it would naturally fall into the trigger guard (especially on the fast draw type)

IMHO the draw needs to be practiced until you wear one holster out. Then it might be muscle memort NOT to do those things. You only fall back on your training when you are rushed. That and muscle memory.

You hear of guys who just "reacted" well there you go.

 

[greyhound47]

I have carried my Glock 19 and M&P 9 in Serpa holsters and cannot imagine how these idiots are shooting themselves. Ban the holster to accomodate idiots. Gotcha.

 

[actaeon277]

I can see the finger problem. And, when the adrenaline dump happens, fine motor skills go, sensors in the finger shut down, and the brain operates on a simpler level.

That being said, there are thousands or tens of thousands of these things in use. I would think you'd need data of discharges from different holsters. Otherwise, you're drawing a conclusion to fit your version of events based on what you "prefer", not reality.

 

[Philabuster]

I dont get it either. I've been using a Serpa for a long time now. My finger never lands where it is not supposed to.

 

[Philabuster]

I can see the finger problem. And, when the adrenaline dump happens, fine motor skills go, sensors in the finger shut down, and the brain operates on a simpler level.

If this is such a problem over the use of a holster, it would be a compelling argument that one should never lay their hand on a loaded weapon at all during moments of stress. I just don't buy it.

 

[RBrianHarless]

They need to look at those accidental discharges are from someone new to the Serpa platform and their firearm. Training is key to using it properly and safely.

 

[Wild Deuce]

If this is such a problem over the use of a holster, it would be a compelling argument that one should never lay their hand on a loaded weapon at all during moments of stress. ...

Excellent point!

 

[Sylvain]

They should ban Glock pistols, those have no external safety therefore they are not safe.

 

[Vince49]

Fools

I guess man has come a long way in designing foolproof systems. I doubt if it is within mankind's ability to design a DAMNED FOOLproof system.

 

[jeremy]

I can see the finger problem. And, when the adrenaline dump happens, fine motor skills go, sensors in the finger shut down, and the brain operates on a simpler level.

Sooo....

I as a Combatant who has used the Serpa for YEARS in actual Combat actions should have already shot myself, so I am apparently one of the luckiest Mother ****ers walking....

Or maybe it is Divine intervention...

God Does love Fools, Drunks, and the US Military. And I have been at least 2 of those 3 most of my life...

 

[Joseph]

As a serpa user I have to say it takes some getting used to. I did quite a few drill with it before I carried it regularly, how about some dry fire drills before you use it. I can see both sides but honestly you would think by now you would here some stories about someone shooting theirself while defending themselves tether than during training.