Bill would repeal law requiring license to carry

[ArcadiaGP]

We've got it pretty good in Indiana. Our gun laws are better than most states, including Texas. Constitutional carry is only great when everyone else is on the same page. I just don't see the country going that route anytime soon.

 

[dusty88]

So, for anyone who currently holds an LTCH (especially a lifetime LTCH): what does constitutional carry and the elimination of the LTCH gain?

For anyone who ever, in their entire life, has to cross outside of Indiana state lines: what does constitutional carry and the elimination of the LTCH lose?

Loss of reciprocity does not outweigh the gain of constitutional carry, at least, not for anyone who ever has reason or desire ever to be outside of Indiana.

I have a lifetime LTCH and have had reason and desire to be outside of Indiana.

You needn't explain the consequences to me; I will experience them also.

But I don't support government laws or mandates or taxes only based on what works for me.

Constitutional carry is a step in the right direction for everyone, including the protection of society. I'll embrace it.

Edit: have you also thought about future consequences such as the proposal to put the LTCH on the drivers license? The fact the database of permit holders exists and is certainly accessible to the federal government?

 

[chipbennett]

I have a lifetime LTCH and have had reason and desire to be outside of Indiana.

You needn't explain the consequences to me; I will experience them also.

But I don't support government laws or mandates or taxes only based on what works for me.

Constitutional carry is a step in the right direction for everyone, including the protection of society. I'll embrace it.

I consider myself part of "everyone", and constitutional carry with no provision for reciprocity is a huge freaking leap BACKWARD for me.

Also: other than saving $125, constitutional carry is a minimal step from what currently exists for Indiana. Losing reciprocity everywhere outside of Indiana would be a Pyrrhic victory indeed.

Edit: have you also thought about future consequences such as the proposal to put the LTCH on the drivers license? The fact the database of permit holders exists and is certainly accessible to the federal government?

Those two issues are completely separate from the one at hand, and should both be fought.

 

[jamil]

So, for anyone who currently holds an LTCH (especially a lifetime LTCH): what does constitutional carry and the elimination of the LTCH gain?

For anyone who ever, in their entire life, has to cross outside of Indiana state lines: what does constitutional carry and the elimination of the LTCH lose?

Loss of reciprocity does not outweigh the gain of constitutional carry, at least, not for anyone who ever has reason or desire ever to be outside of Indiana.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Constitutional carry is a step in the right direction for everyone

Only if everyone is stepping in that direction.

 

[dusty88]

Those two issues are completely separate from the one at hand, and should both be fought.

But with no LTCH requirement, there is no database to misuse. (there would potentially be a database for those of us who chose to have an LTCH that was valid out of state of course. That could be removed later if more states take up constitutional carry)

 

[jamil]

But I don't support government laws or mandates or taxes only based on what works for me.

Constitutional carry is a step in the right direction for everyone, including the protection of society. I'll embrace it.

Edit: have you also thought about future consequences such as the proposal to put the LTCH on the drivers license? The fact the database of permit holders exists and is certainly accessible to the federal government?

Sometimes principle can't outweigh practical. If you gain one freedom by sacrificing more freedom, your net is a loss of freedom. I want constitutional carry, but a provision must be made for states that aren't as progressive minded as Indiana.

 

[dusty88]

Sometimes principle can't outweigh practical. If you gain one freedom by sacrificing more freedom, your net is a loss of freedom. I want constitutional carry, but a provision must be made for states that aren't as progressive minded as Indiana.

I agree the provision should be made, of course. But even under current circumstances you have no guarantee or even knowledge that state reciprocities will stay the same.

 

[chipbennett]

But with no LTCH requirement, there is no database to misuse. (there would potentially be a database for those of us who chose to have an LTCH that was valid out of state of course. That could be removed later if more states take up constitutional carry)

Why can the state not simply pass legislation prohibiting any state or municipal agency from creating or maintaining a database of LTCH holders?

Similarly (as Missouri did), why can the state not simply pass legislation prohibiting the sharing of such a database with any entity outside of the State (including the Fed.gov)?

The LTCH isn't the problem. The problem is people misusing information regarding the LTCH.

 

[John Galt]

There is an amendment being drafted to continue with the current LTCH for reciprocity, but not require a license to carry in state.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Has 1144 been assigned a committee yet?

If it is judiciary, I know the chairman there is in the heart of INGO country.*

*Ah, now I see Public Policy Committee! Call and write today!

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

 

[chipbennett]

There is an amendment being drafted to continue with the current LTCH for reciprocity, but not require a license to carry in state.

Good news! Who is drafting it? Lucas? The committee? One of the sponsors?

 

[John Galt]

Lucas had it drafted

 

[Lebowski]

Pardon my ignorance on how local/state law works, but assuming this bill has support and is passed how long (realistically) would it be until it was law? This thread grew a lot and quickly since I was following it on page 2, and I've skimmed the comments and it seems this has a chance at becoming a reality, correct?

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Pardon my ignorance on how local/state law works, but assuming this bill has support and is passed how long (realistically) would it be until it was law? This thread grew a lot and quickly since I was following it on page 2, and I've skimmed the comments and it seems this has a chance at becoming a reality, correct?

Typically, they're effective in July later on this year.

 

[jamil]

Pardon my ignorance on how local/state law works, but assuming this bill has support and is passed how long (realistically) would it be until it was law? This thread grew a lot and quickly since I was following it on page 2, and I've skimmed the comments and it seems this has a chance at becoming a reality, correct?

It's too early to know how far this will go. If it gets traction and the mom's needing action get wind of it, they'll throw an Oprah sized hissy. My 4 year LTCH is up in August and I was planning to re-up with the lifetime. Asuming they'll keep issuing, constitutional carry or not, I'll still get the lifetime. I need the reciprocity.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

It's too early to know how far this will go. If it gets traction and the mom's needing action get wind of it, they'll throw an Oprah sized hissy. My 4 year LTCH is up in August and I was planning to re-up with the lifetime. Asuming they'll keep issuing, constitutional carry or not, I'll still get the lifetime. I need the reciprocity.

The only fly in the ointment, according to my reading is, this bill rips all that existing LTCH language out. So, I don't know if all of our current LTCHs will still remain valid afterwards.

 

[jamil]

The only fly in the ointment, according to my reading is, this bill rips all that existing LTCH language out. So, I don't know if all of our current LTCHs will still remain valid afterwards.

I'm assuming that this will happen if the law passes.

There is an amendment being drafted to continue with the current LTCH for reciprocity, but not require a license to carry in state.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

I'm assuming that this will happen if the law passes.

Yeah, I am hoping so too.