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    dusty88

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    Please note the dates of these articles.............

    2019
    One hospital had 9 flu cases at this time last year. This year, it has more than 1,400


    By Elizabeth Cohen, CNN Senior Medical Correspondent
    Updated 10:02 PM ET, Tue December 3, 2019


    https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/03/health/early-flu-season-louisiana-eprise/index.html

    2018
    Hospitals Overwhelmed by Flu Patients Are Treating Them in Tents


    [FONT=&amp]The 2017-2018 influenza epidemic is sending people to hospitals and urgent-care centers[/FONT][FONT=&amp], and medical centers are responding with extraordinary measures: asking staff to work overtime, setting up triage tents, restricting friends and family visits and canceling elective surgeries, to name a few.
    https://time.com/5107984/hospitals-handling-burden-flu-patients/[/FONT]


    2015
    Flu Closes Schools, Flusters Hospitals Nationwide


    This flu season continues to prove especially bad.


    By SYDNEY LUPKIN

    https://abcnews.go.com/Health/flu-closes-schools-flusters-hospitals-nationwide/story?id=28245734

    2014

    Local hospitals ask flu patients to stay away


    “Hospitals are at very full capacity right now, and staff is getting sick as well.”

    https://www.daytondailynews.com/lif...lu-patients-stay-away/I5jeXotxyNmHmZDIxgGHgI/

    2013
    Severe flu season straining the resources of ERs around the country



    2009

    Swamped hospitals fear an ER emergency

    [FONT=var(--service-font)]WASHINGTON — [/FONT][FONT=var(--body-font)]On Long Island, N.Y., hospitals are scrambling to bring extra workers in to handle a 50% surge in visitors to emergency rooms. In Galveston, Texas, the local hospital ran out of flu testing kits after being overwhelmed with patients worried about having contracted swine flu.
    https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2009-may-01-na-swineflu-hospitals1-story.html


    [/FONT]


    Flu can definitely pose challenges and could be worse. It was "the pandemic" that a lot of people expected

    As it happens, those situations were worrisome but relatively short. This year, some critical care workers have been dealing with Covid for months and have their own illnesses and even PTSD problems as a result.

    We also haven't had a flu pandemic for a while that found so many naive hosts; so more healthcare workers are often out sick.
     

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    Thanks SD4L. Just as another unfrozen (well, refrozen today) number observation, we remain in exponential growth of deaths (nationally), running ~138 days to double. Based on the rolling 5 day average, we're going to stay in exponential growth through the new year.

    We're also likely to hit ~500k dead people at the one year anniversary of the lockdowns, which I'm marking at the ides of March.

    CFR (via worldometers) drops further to just under 1.81%
     

    KMaC

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    Heya SD4L - looks like today's ISDH numbers show a significant drop to only 11% of ICU beds available. I thought it had been hanging around 20% for awhile.
    They had reporting errors (AGAIN). Here's their explanation.
    Today's ICU bed availability number was previously impacted by a reporting error that overstated the number of non-COVID patients in the ICU. This issue has been resolved and the ICU bed availability is now accurate to actual availability.
    ​The chart now shows 20% ICU beds available.
     

    T.Lex

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    They had reporting errors (AGAIN). Here's their explanation.
    Today's ICU bed availability number was previously impacted by a reporting error that overstated the number of non-COVID patients in the ICU. This issue has been resolved and the ICU bed availability is now accurate to actual availability.
    ​The chart now shows 20% ICU beds available.

    Ah, thanks for the followup! That did seem like a precipitous drop!
     

    ghuns

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    Something that often gets overlooked is that hospitals typically run within 10-20% of their ICU capacity.

    Hospitals have spent the last decade adopting systems of management like those of us in manufacturing have been using for years. Lean Six Sigma, PDCA, whatever the flavor of the month that the current crop of MBAs are pushing.

    ICU beds are expensive. ICU staff is expensive. It's bad business to have an expensive piece equipment sitting idle. Idle equipment generates no revenue but it still costs you $$$. It's bad business to have your ICU staff treating bumps and bruises. They plan for the worst case, which previously has been a really bad flu season. In those cases, it was not uncommon to see ICU capacity hit low single digits.

    In California, their governor has tied their current stay at home orders to 15% ICU capacity. If their hospitals typically run at 10-20% capacity, how can the lockdown EVER end?:dunno:
     

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    Something that often gets overlooked is that hospitals typically run within 10-20% of their ICU capacity.

    Hospitals have spent the last decade adopting systems of management like those of us in manufacturing have been using for years. Lean Six Sigma, PDCA, whatever the flavor of the month that the current crop of MBAs are pushing.

    ICU beds are expensive. ICU staff is expensive. It's bad business to have an expensive piece equipment sitting idle. Idle equipment generates no revenue but it still costs you $$$. It's bad business to have your ICU staff treating bumps and bruises. They plan for the worst case, which previously has been a really bad flu season. In those cases, it was not uncommon to see ICU capacity hit low single digits.

    In California, their governor has tied their current stay at home orders to 15% ICU capacity. If their hospitals typically run at 10-20% capacity, how can the lockdown EVER end?:dunno:


    Louis Profeta here in Indy wrote an article several years ago about how we are not ready for a bad flu season. I think this is similar. It's one thing to run at marginal capacity and push the limits during a typical flu season. The problem with this airborne virus is you go from "the edge" to an explosion of cases rather quickly. It's exponential, not linear.

    The second problem vs "typical" times is ICUs also deal with potential fallouts of natural disasters or terrorist attacks. In those cases, neighboring districts help. With the widespread outbreak, there's little to spare.

    I see your point numerically about the cases in California and it should be tied to community transmission as well.
     

    foszoe

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    Maybe it ends when they recall the governor?

    Something that often gets overlooked is that hospitals typically run within 10-20% of their ICU capacity.

    Hospitals have spent the last decade adopting systems of management like those of us in manufacturing have been using for years. Lean Six Sigma, PDCA, whatever the flavor of the month that the current crop of MBAs are pushing.

    ICU beds are expensive. ICU staff is expensive. It's bad business to have an expensive piece equipment sitting idle. Idle equipment generates no revenue but it still costs you $$$. It's bad business to have your ICU staff treating bumps and bruises. They plan for the worst case, which previously has been a really bad flu season. In those cases, it was not uncommon to see ICU capacity hit low single digits.

    In California, their governor has tied their current stay at home orders to 15% ICU capacity. If their hospitals typically run at 10-20% capacity, how can the lockdown EVER end?:dunno:
     

    JTScribe

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    Something that often gets overlooked is that hospitals typically run within 10-20% of their ICU capacity.

    Hospitals have spent the last decade adopting systems of management like those of us in manufacturing have been using for years. Lean Six Sigma, PDCA, whatever the flavor of the month that the current crop of MBAs are pushing.

    ICU beds are expensive. ICU staff is expensive. It's bad business to have an expensive piece equipment sitting idle. Idle equipment generates no revenue but it still costs you $$$. It's bad business to have your ICU staff treating bumps and bruises. They plan for the worst case, which previously has been a really bad flu season. In those cases, it was not uncommon to see ICU capacity hit low single digits.

    In California, their governor has tied their current stay at home orders to 15% ICU capacity. If their hospitals typically run at 10-20% capacity, how can the lockdown EVER end?:dunno:

    In many states, bed count is set by state government, as well. It's called certificate-of-need.
     

    SheepDog4Life

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    So, if Trump had won, which he came within a hair's breadth of doing, Biden/Harris/Pelosi/etc would still be advocating the vaccines?

    Nope!

    The vaccines didn't change...

    They slammed the whole of Operation Warpspeed which even made these options possible, while extolling the likes of the CDC bureaucracy, which failed miserably in delivering the virus tests early on.
     

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    Louis Profeta here in Indy wrote an article several years ago about how we are not ready for a bad flu season. I think this is similar. It's one thing to run at marginal capacity and push the limits during a typical flu season. The problem with this airborne virus is you go from "the edge" to an explosion of cases rather quickly. It's exponential, not linear.

    The second problem vs "typical" times is ICUs also deal with potential fallouts of natural disasters or terrorist attacks. In those cases, neighboring districts help. With the widespread outbreak, there's little to spare.

    I see your point numerically about the cases in California and it should be tied to community transmission as well.

    You can't expect a hospital to operate continually under the threat of a fluke thing like Covid though, it's still a business. It's like expecting a small gun store to maintain a huge warehouse of ammunition just in case a panic happens.
     

    JettaKnight

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    You can't expect a hospital to operate continually under the threat of a fluke thing like Covid though, it's still a business. It's like expecting a small gun store to maintain a huge warehouse of ammunition just in case a panic happens.

    So you're saying it's expected that a pure capitalist healthcare system fails at time you need it most? :dunno:
     

    drillsgt

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    So you're saying it's expected that a pure capitalist healthcare system fails at time you need it most? :dunno:

    Nope, I don't see any healthcare systems that have failed, at least in the US, we've done just fine. As Americans when a fluke like this covid nonsense develops then we adapt but I don't expect our hospital systems to live everyday like covid is always here.
     

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    Tropical Minnesota

    In an email from Minnesota State Representative Duane Quam

    "According to the data from the Minnesota Department of Health (MDH), as of last month there were just 2,766 cases tied to restaurants and bars since March — 0.7% of the cases statewide. In addition, the governor will continue to keep pools closed at hotels and gyms despite there being zero known cases of transmission."

    We could use a little sanity here.
     
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