BATFE To Ban Common AR-15 Ammo

[hornadylnl]

Someone got butthurt... Big time.

Not butt hurt at all. If anyone should see the need to stand up for the rights for EVERYBODY, it should be gun owners. Take a gander through the politics section every now and then to see that it isn't true. You've got guys wanting Kent State's on college campuses, suspending 1A to fight wars, denying contractual rights to certain groups, the list goes on. Then those same people will cry like little babies when they're standing on their own little islands fighting for what's important to them. They attack potential allies at every opportunity and then wonder why they have no allies for their cause.

 

[CathyInBlue]

They'll never come for grandpa's "huntin' rifle". They'll reclassify it as an "assault/assassination sniper weapon" first.

 

[Thegeek]

"may be used in handgun"

That phrase is the killer. I could make a pistol that fires .50 BMG and instantly, all .50 BMG would be handgun calibers. There's no stipulation anywhere that accounts for the use in a rifle vs a handgun. If it fits a handgun, it applies. We're going to lose this one......

It makes zero difference that the .223 Remington was designed for rifles. When the gunsmiths cross over, so do the rules.

 

[tallend]

PRasko
Today I got a email from GOI,stating it is a threat to ALL 223/5.56 ammo-------CALL your reps TODAY and oppose the proposed ammendment-----------ANOTHER NAIL IN THE COFFIN----another bit of American freedom going away----------------------remember the story about the frog in the pot????????????
get of your apathetic axx(es) and call your reps

tallend

 

[OneBadV8]

This may or may not already be posted in here...

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/stop-batfe-banning-xm855-ammunition/XrvVh1cj

 

[printcraft]

This may or may not already be posted in here...

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/stop-batfe-banning-xm855-ammunition/XrvVh1cj

Up thread and Yep did that.

 

[Dim Mak]

I signed the petition earlier this morning and I still have not received a confirmation email.

 

[KellyinAvon]

15,065.

 

[OneBadV8]

Up thread and Yep did that.

Thanks!

Also merged threads, so carry on

 

[KG1]

Not butt hurt at all. If anyone should see the need to stand up for the rights for EVERYBODY, it should be gun owners. Take a gander through the politics section every now and then to see that it isn't true. You've got guys wanting Kent State's on college campuses, suspending 1A to fight wars, denying contractual rights to certain groups, the list goes on. Then those same people will cry like little babies when they're standing on their own little islands fighting for what's important to them. They attack potential allies at every opportunity and then wonder why they have no allies for their cause.

What does this have to do with this specific cause? Can you not ever comment on any specific topic without dragging in your ever increasing baggage of personal grievances that you collect from any number of other subjects?

 

[hornadylnl]

What does this have to do with this specific cause? Can you not ever comment on any specific topic without dragging in your ever increasing baggage of personal grievances that you collect from any number of other subjects?

You're right. Why would we ever want to build alliances to gain strength in numbers? Signing White House petitions will do the trick.

 

[dusty88]

What does this have to do with this specific cause? Can you not ever comment on any specific topic without dragging in your ever increasing baggage of personal grievances that you collect from any number of other subjects?

I don't think he's talking about "personal" grievances. To the contrary, he's pointing out that "personal" isn't the issue.

Every time you support government actions that take people's freedom or money, that control how their property is used or control how they live, you feed the beast.

 

[KG1]

I don't think he's talking about "personal" grievances. To the contrary, he's pointing out that "personal" isn't the issue.

Every time you support government actions that take people's freedom or money, that control how their property is used or control how they live, you feed the beast.

Who's talking about supporting government actions on this SPECIFIC topic being discussed in this SPECIFIC thread? He's trying to turn this topic into one of his personal grievances like he always does. That's my point.

 

[jd4320t]

I signed the petition earlier this morning and I still have not received a confirmation email.

It is working now.

 

[mdmayo]

Who's talking about supporting government actions on this SPECIFIC topic being discussed in this SPECIFIC thread? He's trying to turn this topic into one of his personal grievances like he always does. That's my point.

Why does it torque your tidy whities when he's right? Why do you hate freedom?

 

[1775usmarine]

Went into Dunhams, and Walmart where I live and found some 62gr at Durhams for the usual .71 cents a round, and found the ZQI I have been using since I built my AR to be in stock. I will have to check the other Wlamart just to be sure. I don't think this has gotten to the mainstream masses yet.

 

[TRWXXA]

Got my email almost instantly.

18,283 now.

 

[Beau]

What weirds me out is they asked for Public comment. Like they know they can't do it, but just want to start a panic. Or are keeping our attention elsewhere while they do something else.

They have to open it up for public comment. I'm not completely sure but I was "told" that the ATF has to respond to every comment received before they can issue a ruling. Anyone know different?

 

[dusty88]

They have to open it up for public comment. I'm not completely sure but I was "told" that the ATF has to respond to every comment received before they can issue a ruling. Anyone know different?

I'm too tired and lazy to find the specific description of how this works but basically:

many proposed regulatory changes have a required public comment period. This isn't just ATF. It's DEA, FDA, USDA, the whole alphabet soup of various departments of making you sad.

They are required to "respond" but that doesn't mean individual responses and it doesn't mean the comments affect their decisions.

(I don't know offhand which type of regulatory changes require the comment period but clearly this is one of them. That's a more likely explanation than any desire on the part of the ATF to either hear what we have to say or to pretend they are listening.)

 

[hornadylnl]

Who's talking about supporting government actions on this SPECIFIC topic being discussed in this SPECIFIC thread? He's trying to turn this topic into one of his personal grievances like he always does. That's my point.

80,000,000 gun owners and they can't all agree that gun rights are absolute. So you're already in the minority. Rather than make allies with others and supporting their causes, we'd rather wallow in our minority status. We'll all continue to watch our rights go down the drain due to our pride and personal beliefs rather than to sacrifice those beliefs to gain liberties for others and to protect our own.

Allies will do far more to protect our rights than signing a petition going to the OBAMA White House.