Bad Experience with Carmel PD

[wizard_of_ahs]

Congrats LS ..... glad it turned out the "right" way

 

[4sarge]

It was the judge's turn, and I would say at this point that the man impressed me. He is clearly an astute legal analyst.

INGO guys, if I miss anything, fill in the blanks.

His points were, that despite much testimony concerning the subject, the issue of the appropriateness of warning shots was a non-issue. He pointed out that law enforcement training and policies do not have the force of law, and in fact, under Indiana law, an officer is REQUIRED to give warning before employing deadly force if it is feasible to do so.

He further pointed out that I am now a private citizen, and things that I was taught and policies under which I acted in my LEO days had nothing whatsoever to do with the facts at hand and required nothing of me.

He pointed out that the Castle Doctrine law gives citizens wide latitude in what tactics they may employ while defending themselves on their own property.

And, finally, he pointed out that contrary to the OPINIONS of the arresting officer and the prosecutor, that there is NOTHING in applicable Indiana law that REQUIRED me to use nothing but lethal force, and that my decision, not to spill blood was both legal and reasonable.

Not guilty...guys, did I leave anything out?

Congrats Liberty, Now I'd LOVE to Hear the WTHR Follow Up

 

[E5RANGER375]

i would love to see charges filed against the cop for lying under oath. since he is a rookie if I remember right, its best to get rid of him from the department now. if he is willing to lie under oath this early in his career, he will be running over people drunk in his squad car in a few years probly.

 

[finity]

Congratulations, Liberty! I can't say that strongly enough.



I also mean that in both possible ways - Liberty Sanders & liberty in general.

The system worked like it was designed to in this case. I know that many think that just being arrested was bad enough (& it was) & an indication that the system was broken. I don't see it that way. It may have been bent when the cop arrested him. It was badly twisted when the prosecutor decided to take it to court but ultimately THE SYSTEM WORKED. Liberty got the justice he deserved.

 

[dross]

i would love to see charges filed against the cop for lying under oath. since he is a rookie if I remember right, its best to get rid of him from the department now. if he is willing to lie under oath this early in his career, he will be running over people drunk in his squad car in a few years probly.

How would you prove it?

 

[Rookie]

Since the prosecution its reading this, I have a message addressed specifically to them.

Please realize that law abiding citizens will not roll over so you can have the satisfaction of putting another notch in your belt. Your job is to enforce the laws, not further your personal agenda.

To the police officer, law abiding citizens can be your biggest ally. Don't alienate them with your lack of common sense.

To the judge. Thank you for reinforcing that we have the right to self preservation.

 

[4sarge]

Since the prosecution its reading this, I have a message addressed specifically to them.

Please realize that law abiding citizens will not roll over so you can have the satisfaction of putting another notch in your belt. Your job is to enforce the laws, not further your personal agenda.

To the police officer, law abiding citizens can be your biggest ally. Count on alienating them with your lack of common sense.

To the judge. Thank you for reinforcing that we have the right to self preservation .

Excellent Post

 

[Kase]

Since the prosecution its reading this, I have a message addressed specifically to them.

Please realize that law abiding citizens will not roll over so you can have the satisfaction of putting another notch in your belt. Your job is to enforce the laws, not further your personal agenda.

To the police officer, law abiding citizens can be your biggest ally. Don't alienate them with your lack of common sense.

To the judge. Thank you for reinforcing that we have the right to self preservation.

Same here!

and to the prosecuter......

 

[E5RANGER375]

How would you prove it?

your right, it would be hard. id like to know the officers name though so incase i ever was stopped by him I could immediately request his supervisor since I wouldnt be trusting him at all. im boycotting carmel though. they will be added to the pizza hut, taco bell list.

 

[Que]

Liberty, I'm glad that you stood up for your rights and didn't take a deal. Congratulations on getting the correct result.

 

[Fenway]

Congrats LS!

 

[mrjarrell]

Way to go, LS! Glad to see everything actually work out the way it should have.

 

[down3green]

In MY dreams they would be jailed and serve the sentence they were trying to stick on THEIR victim.

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Awesome concept! Would no doubt cut back on frivolous lawsuits of all kinds.


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[Liberty Sanders]

My old pal from my NRA Board days is already on the job...

UPDATE: Not Guilty verdict in dog ‘warning shot’ case - Seattle gun rights | Examiner.com

 

[mrjarrell]

My old pal from my NRA Board days is already on the job...

UPDATE: Not Guilty verdict in dog ‘warning shot’ case - Seattle gun rights | Examiner.com

Glad to see Dave is on the job out there. I've been a longtime reader of his.

 

[sparky241]

how did the prosecutor use this thread in court? i heard they had it but did they somehow use it against you?

 

[Dogman]

Congrats LS, sometimes common sense does come out of hiding.

 

[Liberty Sanders]

They quoted some of my more colorful remarks that I made here in order to try to prejudice the judge against me personally.

Each time he asked me whether I said something (hoping, I believe, that I would deny it) I simply responded, that Yes, I did, and that I was PO'd when I wrote them.

It was a fairly pathetic attempt to try to bolster a case that I think they saw they were losing.

The judge, much to his credit, appeared to be unimpressed.

 

[2nthechest]

was this in Hamilton County courts and if so may I ask what judge precided....

They quoted some of my more colorful remarks that I made here in order to try to prejudice the judge against me personally.

Each time he asked me whether I said something (hoping, I believe, that I would deny it) I simply responded, that Yes, I did, and that I was PO'd when I wrote them.

It was a fairly pathetic attempt to try to bolster a case that I think they saw they were losing.

The judge, much to his credit, appeared to be unimpressed.

 

[Liberty Sanders]

And while we're on this subject...

Judges have tremendous power, and I certainly went into this with a certain degree of trepidation. Was this judge going to give me a fair shake, or was he simply going to be a "rubber stamp" for the police department? This, by the way, was one of the remarks that I made here that I fessed up to. The prosecutor was hoping the judge would be insulted by it.

We've all heard stories about what a travesty "mayor's courts" can be to helpless citizens.

This man's decision was based STRICTLY on the law, and his remarks that he made in rendering his decision were both articulate and impressive. His ducks were in a row, and he shot down the prosecution's ridiculous assertions one by one.

His name is Brian Poindexter. I have been seeing campaign signs for him on local roadways.

He is, to my knowledge, the only Carmel City Court Judge. I have no idea which party he represents, nor do I care.

I don't know whether he has an opponent, but I can tell you this:

He has my vote.