"Are you kidding me?" / Facepalm Thread (pt 2)

[JettaKnight]

[video=youtube;Z2Os1QiglVQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2Os1QiglVQ[/video]

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Texas police officer fatally shoots woman heard on video shouting, 'I'm pregnant'

She was not pregnant, and this is a stupid headline.

Moron steals a cops taser and shoots him with it. Things obviously escalate, and she gets shot.

Don't taze cops.

 

[HoughMade]

Texas police officer fatally shoots woman heard on video shouting, 'I'm pregnant'

She was not pregnant, and this is a stupid headline.

Moron steals a cops taser and shoots him with it. Things obviously escalate, and she gets shot.

Don't taze cops.

Woman wrestles weapon from cop and uses it to try to incapacitate him. Cop also has another weapon and if he is incapacitated, who knows what will be done with that?

Good shoot.

 

[ghuns]

AFL-CIO goes full Marxist...

We all need to seize the means of production

After last week going all, viva la revolución...

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

They're simply removing their masks.

 

[2A_Tom]

America has been exceptional, in that we have not followed the general practice of killing off the opposition after a win.

Our Revolution yielded a new form of government that incorporated free elections and peaceful changes of power (at least until 2016). We did not proceed to kill the Tories that had supported the Throne.

After our Civil War when won did not lead to the purging of former rebels. It did lead to an oath to the constitution for elected officials (which it seems they do not take seriously) and military.

America has been exceptional, let us hope it will continue to be.

 

[jamil]

AFL-CIO goes full Marxist...

We all need to seize the means of production

After last week going all, viva la revolución...

Beyond the purpose of making working conditions workable, the logical conclusion of unions is Socialism.

 

[jamil]

America has been exceptional, in that we have not followed the general practice of killing off the opposition after a win.

Our Revolution yielded a new form of government that incorporated free elections and peaceful changes of power (at least until 2016). We did not proceed to kill the Tories that had supported the Throne.

After our Civil War when won did not lead to the purging of former rebels. It did lead to an oath to the constitution for elected officials (which it seems they do not take seriously) and military.

America has been exceptional, let us hope it will continue to be.

It's worth saving.

 

[HoughMade]

AFL-CIO goes full Marxist...

We all need to seize the means of production

After last week going all, viva la revolución...

Goes? That would imply they once weren't full Marxist.

 

[jamil]

Goes? That would imply they once weren't full Marxist.

I think initially unions had a legitimate purpose in labor. But after achieving that purpose, it's mostly an organization of corruption and cronyism, just like the primary mode of socialism.

 

[2A_Tom]

Goes? That would imply they once weren't full Marxist.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to HoughMade again.

At some point in history unions were helpful.

When my father graduated 6th grade he went to work in a sweat shop working 12 - 16 hours a day for 50 cents a week of which his father gave him 5 cents. That was around 1914.

When Samuel Gompers was a cigar maker he stood up for a fellow worker and organized his shop to help him.

AFL was an necessary evil. Not so much now.

 

[jamil]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to HoughMade again.

At some point in history unions were helpful.

When my father graduated 6th grade he went to work in a sweat shop working 12 - 16 hours a day for 50 cents a week of which his father gave him 5 cents. That was around 1914.

When Samuel Gompers was a cigar maker he stood up for a fellow worker and organized his shop to help him.

AFL was an necessary evil. Not so much now.

That's pretty much my point. I think once unions achieved their legitimate goals, the only goals left to keep their existence were the illegitimate ones. And that's the point at which the vector appeared directly pointed towards socialism. It may have been inevitable that the logical conclusion of unions was always socialism. That once it starts, it follows a progression that always leads to that outcome. But that doesn't take away from the need for some equalizing power between labor and management.

 

[HoughMade]

I think initially unions had a legitimate purpose in labor. But after achieving that purpose, it's mostly an organization of corruption and cronyism, just like the primary mode of socialism.

I was not talking about unions in general. I was talking about the AFL-CIO...

...but I would note that one can be a Marxist and still be in favor of reasonable safety and compensation for workers...though one does not have to be one to believe in that.

In other words, being in favor of some reasonable things doesn't mean you are not a Marxist.

 

[jamil]

I was not talking about unions in general. I was talking about the AFL-CIO...

...but I would note that one can be a Marxist and still be in favor of reasonable safety and compensation for workers...though one does not have to be one to believe in that.

In other words, being in favor of some reasonable things doesn't mean you are not a Marxist.

If you stay within the theoretical realm of Marxism, reasonable safety and compensation for workers is a component. In practice, it progresses to the primary mode of corruption and cronyism, which are, ironically, among Marx's complaints about capitalism. But in practice, with socialism it's worse becuase it's centralized power.

 

[2A_Tom]

I believe Unions in general are a bane on America "NOW".

I remember saying in the '80,s when Lech Lawesa founded Solidarity, "In the USSR a labor union is a step toward capitalism as opposed to a step toward communism in America."

 

[jamil]

I believe Unions in general are a bane on America "NOW".

I remember saying in the '80,s when Lech Lawesa founded Solidarity, "In the USSR a labor union is a step toward capitalism as opposed to a step toward communism in America."

Pretty much. But here in the US, in the 80s I remember in the union people I worked with mostly didn't give a ****. A few really productive workers did most of the work while the rest mostly spent their efforts figuring out ways to avoid it.

 

[HoughMade]

I also think that we should remember that there are unions that provide very good training and oversight of standards in the skilled trades (e.g.: pipefitters, electricians, carpemters, ironworkers, etc.). I call these trade unions while I reserve the term "labor unions" for those whose members are not skilled workers.

 

[ATOMonkey]

Those skilled trade unions also lobby to make sure that new government construction must pay at least the union wage, so that they can't be underbid, which most often times happens.

I think we need to go back to the model that you have to build your own home. That will prevent or at least take care of a lot of shoddy craftsman, so regulation won't be needed.

Most construction is a 3rd party transaction. You're building something for someone else with someone else's money. 1st party, is building something for yourself with your own money. In most 1st party transactions the give a damn factor is highest.

 

[2A_Tom]

Pretty much. But here in the US, in the 80s I remember in the union people I worked with mostly didn't give a ****. A few really productive workers did most of the work while the rest mostly spent their efforts figuring out ways to avoid it.

Yep, that is communism.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Alaska man who accidentally shot and killed his girlfriend during his own suicide attempt is sentenced to nine years in prison.

The bullet passed through his skull then struck and killed his girlfriend. (He has to wear a helmet now.)

Man sentenced for killing girlfriend during suicide attempt | Alaska News | newsminer.com