You have refuted nothing, just posting union talking points.Dont get frustrated that a few of us that have spent decades easily refuting what you post in this thread.
You have refuted nothing, just posting union talking points.Dont get frustrated that a few of us that have spent decades easily refuting what you post in this thread.
Who controls the money? The company or union? The unions I have been in received the money and managed the pension. You really think it superior that a union has your retirement money rather than you having it?Interesting how those Unions still make those Corporations make those monthly deposits into that Union Penison Fund so the Vested Union Members get that retirment check still today.
LoL.You have refuted nothing, just posting union talking points.
This sounds like a company that values good management. That's good and probably would not have a need for a union.Hard to say. I know that our plants are non-union and there no worker/mgmt antagonism like the stuff described here. Safety is huge. If a supervisor tried to get an employee to do something that did not follow safety protocols, they would be the one facing discipline not the employee.
My International Union Benefits Plan invests my penison money and disperses checks to vested members at the appropriate time.Who controls the money? The company or union? The unions I have been in received the money and managed the pension. You really think it superior that a union has your retirement money rather than you having it?
Well, that's the thing.Hard to say. I know that our plants are non-union and there no worker/mgmt antagonism like the stuff described here. Safety is huge. If a supervisor tried to get an employee to do something that did not follow safety protocols, they would be the one facing discipline not the employee.
My International Union Benefits Plan invests my penison money and disperses checks to vested members at the appropriate time.
Most employees in the working world cant even fill the paperwork out for a 401 much less chose what fund or funds to invest in. So many in the working world give up that free matching 401 money. You get the I cant afford that or i'll start it next year.
So why would one believe that they have the knowledge to save and invest over their working years?
One needs to look no farther than how much of todays retired live on Social Security checks. They never stayed long enough, never moved up, never signed up for a roth or 401k.
They used to call Roths and 401k's supplemental penisons.
Back to your poor compression of reading, heres what I posted.And the union control of all that money is just pure as fresh snow.
I thought INGO was all about freedom and the individuals control of what belongs to them? But now you are saying that we all are to stupid to manage our own money and need a union to do it for us…
Wow.
Nice sweeping statement.
Have you been EVERYWHERE in society?
When Indiana went 'Right to Work', several quit our union.
Funny thing, just about all came back pretty quick.
No place in society you say, what employment in todays working world gives you a penison? A great 401 and with some Unions an Annuity.
Not once did a Union Bossman reach over my shoulder and pull a different lever than I wanted to vote for.
Quasi Criminal. lol
Enriching Leadership you say? Like the Leadership and Management with all Business's and Corporate Executives and Owners.
And I ask again, what happened to yesterdays pensions?
They weren't replaced with 401's they just evaporated.
Talk about being taken advantage of by The Corporate Man.
It’s only sweeping because of what unions have morphed into. When we had child labor, 18 hour work days and people were losing hands in machinery daily they were a necessity. However those problems don’t exist any more and now their only purpose is to maintain their existence.
As far as your coworkers, I’d argue that much like many government employees, the fact that they couldn’t hack it in the private sector isn’t an indictment of anyone but them.
Exactly.Once again.
Nice sweeping statement.
Were you there, working your 16 hour shift above a furnace?
Those problems don't exist anymore? HA
I've seen OSHA only for infrequent inspections that worry about a railing being 1.5 centimeters too short, or AFTER a worker is killed when they fine the company $2,000.
You are making blanket statements, and it seems from a position of ignorance.
It's like an anti-gunner saying YOU don't need a gun, because HE doesn't need a gun.
Once again.
Nice sweeping statement.
Were you there, working your 16 hour shift above a furnace?
Those problems don't exist anymore? HA
I've seen OSHA only for infrequent inspections that worry about a railing being 1.5 centimeters too short, or AFTER a worker is killed when they fine the company $2,000.
You are making blanket statements, and it seems from a position of ignorance.
It's like an anti-gunner saying YOU don't need a gun, because HE doesn't need a gun.
Where I was working has nothing to do with the fact that unions have outlived their time. OSHA is clearly imperfect, much as any other government agency is, but no one is forced to pay dues to OSHA. OSHA doesn't slash tires or intimidate others on whether to support a strike.
But to answer your question directly, no these problems dont exist anymore because there are laws prohibiting them. The system isn't perfect by any means, but unless you are going to tell me that people aren't hurt or dont die in union factories, then you dont have a point.
Show me a union that's willing to attach benefits to productivity and then we can find some common ground. Until then, there is no evidence that they are quasi criminal organizations that exist only to maintain their existence and enrich those in leadership.
I think you just contradicted your own argument.Until then, there is no evidence that they are quasi criminal organizations that exist only to maintain their existence and enrich those in leadership.
You will never be an Elvis impersonator. Or a Mary Kay representative.I don't like pink cars.
Oh no.You will never be an Elvis impersonator. Or a Mary Kay representative.
Exactly.
The people that say these problems no longer exist only say that because they haven't experienced it.
I have witnessed the tented walkways to escort OSHA to the site of an accident. I've seen what happens after the fact.
The people who think OSHA is going to somehow protect them are mistaken.