Afghanistan

[rooster]

You might want to be careful about suggesting that we can all agree with one of your woke political agenda statements, my friend.

Sometimes I think if I said the sky was blue on here I would have someone disagree

If you think that statement was “woke” I would surely like to hear your definition

 

[DadSmith]

Real short version: Arabic naming conventions do not exactly match up to modern Western conventions of given name, middle given name, surname. That guy's "full" name is almost certainly longer, but just like we tend to not use middle names in most circumstances, that's the name he will use most of the time.

Longer version:
It's more complicated, and there may or may not be a family name (but in modern times it's by far the most common to have one). Sometimes what we would consider the family name will be a tribe or even an area. Kind of like old English "John of York" where York is where John is from, not his family or John Baker indicated his profession but now it's just morphed into a family name even if you aren't actually a baker. Abdullah Abdullah is certainly not his full name, if for no other reason than titles are omitted. Titles in this context are things like "son of..." or "father of..." and I'll touch on that shortly.

"Legal name" may or may not have any meaning, depending on how developed the area in question is. A "full name" could be up to five individual words, including titles.

Naming conventions aren't universal and are sometimes confusing and the name you are born with may not be the one you die with (which sounds odd at first, but Western women often die with a different surname then they were born with), but usually the father's name is in their somewhere. To make it even more fun, the father will now often use the first son's name with a title that means "father of ..." so if that guy is the first son of his father, his father may now go by Abu Abdullah. Women sometimes do the same with "mother of." We would generally consider that a nickname by Western standards, and in developed areas it won't be what's on their driver's license, etc. Tribal areas, from what I understand, tend to be less picky on "legal name" conventions.

My wife's (pre-marriage) name follows this convention: given name, father's given name, father's honorific, family name. Now it's given name, father's given name, my family name in the Western style. She could have taken my middle name in place of her father's given name, apparently, as I recall some discussion about it early on before she stuck with her father's. In Jordan either of us could legitimately go by (parent of): son's first name.

And then, just because what's a rule without exceptions, the "father of..." thing is not always literal but can be a joking nickname or an honorific. "Father of goats" for a local herder or "Father of justice" for a revered judge sort of things.


As best I can tell, it just remains "Abdullah Abdullah" because the 2nd Abdullah is the 1st Abdullah for the father and that 1st part is all you use. There's probably an unspoken "bin" in the middle, meaning "son of" if you were to find his "full" name.

Reminds me of a man I meet his name was Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad. I kid you not. Please explain that one to me.

 

[bwframe]

Sometimes I think if I said the sky was blue on here I would have someone disagree

If you think that statement was “woke” I would surely like to hear your definition

Just look in the mirror. You'll see it.

 

[DadSmith]

rumor has it he hasn’t moved in 6 hours. Nothing makes an old man happier than watching the news and yelling “come’on man” at the tv

Are vaccine passports needed? Will they be left behind without proof of Covid-19 vaccination?

 

[foszoe]

Sometimes I think if I said the sky was blue on here I would have someone disagree

If you think that statement was “woke” I would surely like to hear your definition

Well the sky isn't really blue

 

[Route 45]

Well the sky isn't really blue

 

[JCSR]

Are vaccine passports needed? Will they be left behind without proof of Covid-19 vaccination?

I've been following a thread on another forum started by a contractor on the ground evacuating the embassy compound. He was to be with the last ones out. Here's his last post from about 5:30 pm.

"Update for those asking.

Had to do a small bit of fighting but nothing too crazy. The entire sanitization and draw down was actually pretty smooth... until the end... when the army took over. Originally we were allowed 1 checked bag and 1 carry on backpack. Well, the spoiled state department employees took too much **** and took too much time/too many trips and our thanks for doing a superb job was to not be allowed any luggage except for a small backpack. And now, when we get to the military base for download, we have to get a covid test before we can come back stateside. With a 72 hour turn around.

I had enough snacks/food in my packed bag. No food for a couple days now I think."

 

[KellyinAvon]

I think we can all agree that having to do an emergency muster and fly out of North Carolina is a catastrophe

And when you think about... how much ammo do they have? How are they going to get the hell out of Dodge when it's over? DO WE HAVE AIR SUPREMACY?? Do these bastards have anything that resembles an integrated air defense? C-17 is a huge aircraft. It is not pointy and fast.

 

[Twangbanger]

Reminds me of a man I meet his name was Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad. I kid you not. Please explain that one to me.

Ah. Filipino Muslim.

 

[bwframe]

 

[foszoe]

Flipped through several channels and surprisingly the press is questioning Bidens leadership in this mess

 

[HoosierLife]

I predict by Wednesday, Afghanistan will be memory-holed.

Are you all ready to hear 24/7 stories on Haiti Earthquake?

Don't be dramatic.

It'll be Covid Lambda that takes over the news cycle.

 

[HoosierLife]

Flipped through several channels and surprisingly the press is questioning Bidens leadership in this mess

Kamala has been missing in action lately. She's probably been getting brought up to speed for our poor Leader's demise.

 

[jamil]

Flipped through several channels and surprisingly the press is questioning Bidens leadership in this mess

I think getting out of Afghanistan is a left wing thing (it’s also a libertarian, and America-first kind of thing). But we’re talking about Democrats. So among the Democrat factions, the establishment would be critical of policies which get us out. I would then expect the establishment news apparatus would be critical of this, just like the chamber-commerce/neocon Republicans would be.

But then they may just have had a moment of sanity, and it’s not just being reactive to their ideological goals. I wanted us to get out, but in a way that makes sense. Biden is showing he doesn’t have a clue. He is wrong about everything.

 

[Route 45]

The Afghan Military Was Built Over 20 Years. How Did It Collapse So Quickly? (Published 2021)

The Taliban’s rapid advance has made clear that U.S. efforts to turn Afghanistan’s military into a robust, independent fighting force have failed, with its soldiers feeling abandoned by inept leaders.

www.nytimes.com

 

[HoosierLife]

I was early 20s when we went over there. Why did we go to Afganistan in the first place? Just took a hard right while in Iraq? Did they have any resources we wanted? Why were even there?? Seems like it was not a good plan anyways.

 

[HoosierLife]

I think getting out of Afghanistan is a left wing thing (it’s also a libertarian, and America-first kind of thing). But we’re talking about Democrats. So among the Democrat factions, the establishment would be critical of policies which get us out. I would then expect the establishment news apparatus would be critical of this, just like the chamber-commerce/neocon Republicans would be.

But then they may just have had a moment of sanity, and it’s not just being reactive to their ideological goals. I wanted us to get out, but in a way that makes sense. Biden is showing he doesn’t have a clue. He is wrong about everything.

Does anybody still think he's actually making decisions?

 

[HoosierLife]

The Afghan Military Was Built Over 20 Years. How Did It Collapse So Quickly? (Published 2021)

The Taliban’s rapid advance has made clear that U.S. efforts to turn Afghanistan’s military into a robust, independent fighting force have failed, with its soldiers feeling abandoned by inept leaders.

www.nytimes.com

"Building the Afghan security apparatus was one of the key parts of the Obama administration’s strategy as it sought to find a way to hand over security and leave nearly a decade ago."

They've been actively taking cities since May?? Taking military assets all along the way...

 

[jamil]

Does anybody still think he's actually making decisions?

He probably thinks he is. Whether he actually is, we don’t know. I suspect he is on some level because they’re Joe Biden kinds of decisions.

 

[DadSmith]

Don't be dramatic.

It'll be Covid Lambda that takes over the news cycle.

Just before the 2022 election we will have Covid-19 variant Zulu....