Active shooter at Mandalay Bay in Las Vegas...

[ArcadiaGP]

Shooter had been in that room since September 28th. Confirmations that he was already dead when police made entry.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Washington Examiner, and Times of Israel, are both making an odd journalistic decision to run a story sourced to the Daily Mirror, based on Twitter a photo of the shooter.

 

[Sylvain]

There's just no good way to defend yourself in that situation.

Up to 500m? Well, my handgun is useless. If I tried to return fire I'd probably hit a random innocent myself, I certainly can't make a pistol round count reliably beyond a few meters. Even if a trained rifleman were present and nominally equipped...500m with a patrol rifle? Man, that takes skill, training, and a steady nerve. One or two degrees off at 500m could send a round into a different hotel room.

Find cover if you can, I guess...running seems futile. I can only imagine the stampede. Is running over open ground is any better an option than standing still with hundreds of rounds raining down on your position?

What if you were in the next room when the shooting started...is there anything you could do beyond report your info to the authorities? I don't think I could knock a hotel door down to get access to the shooter (assuming I had the balls to even try)...empty a magazine blind through the door? I guess it's possible that action might save lives...maybe.

This is terrorism. I don't care what the ideology of the shooter was. The net effect is to create unnecessary fear among good people. How do we protect ourselves from this?

Hotel rooms are quite easy to open from the outside in the US.
The fire code makes it mandatory for the dead bolt to unlock when you pull the door handle down.

 

[GIJEW]

Tom BrokeJaw already doing his "civilians don't NEED these military grade weapons" schtick. Color me surprised.

Given that tom blow-chow spoke English for a living, you'd think he could comprehend the difference between FULL-auto and SEMI-auto. Of course, accurate journalism would interfere with his agenda of public disarmament.

Speaking of gun laws&bans, it will be hard to make a case for being able to make the law "tougher" for buying full auto weapons; but since when do laws stop people intent on committing murder? I think it's far more likely that his rifle was 'latin American-civil war surplus' smuggled into the country by the cartels, than a legally owned weapon

 

[Dirtebiker]

Tom BrokeJaw already doing his "civilians don't NEED these military grade weapons" schtick. Color me surprised.

I saw that too. I'm surprised it took that long before we heard that. "I'm a gun owner, I've got a closet full of them, but I don't have one of those...."

 

[CHCRandy]

CNN just reported suspect as a "64 year old white man".......does the color of his skin really matter? Oh that's right....they have an agenda.

 

[Denny347]

Which is?

CNN just reported suspect as a "64 year old white man".......does the color of his skin really matter? Oh that's right....they have an agenda.

 

[CHCRandy]

Which is?

Angry, white, gun toting, Bible thumper........who was most likely a Trump supporter.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Police say the Las Vegas shooting suspect died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound; he was found with 10 rifles

Angry, white, gun toting, Bible thumper........who was most likely a Trump supporter.

I know it's sometimes the way everyone wants to go with these things, but can we please detatch politics from this thread?

 

[Hohn]

Based on the audio alone, I am guessing it was a semi-auto rifle equipped with a "GatCrank".

That was my guess also. Rate of fire is way too slow for full auto. And the amount of ammo between breaks suggests not belt-fed, but 100rd or 60rd mags. Probably not the 100rd Surefires as they aren't very reliable, but who knows, maybe the BG got "lucky" and his 100-rd mags functioned fully.

Could even be 60rd mags (magpul or Surefire). The echo off the hotel makes it sound like there is both more shots and more frequent than likely is actually occurring.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

I saw that too. I'm surprised it took that long before we heard that. "I'm a gun owner, I've got a closet full of them, but I don't have one of those...."

And he keeps them in Montana... Where it's safe.

 

[ghuns]

Angry, white, gun toting, Bible thumper........who was most likely a Trump supporter.

Who shoots up a concert full of angry, white, gun toting, Bible thumpers........who were most likely Trump supporters. I mean, it was a country music concert.

Applying rational motives to the irrational is so damn frustrating.

 

[Sylvain]

CNN just reported suspect as a "64 year old white man".......does the color of his skin really matter? Oh that's right....they have an agenda.

If the suspect had been black you think they would not have reported his skin color?
Would you have been equally offended if they did?

 

[Hkindiana]

Just heard a reporter on ABC say that the bullets in his clips were specially designed to ricochet inside of the bidies and do the maximum damage. WTF?

 

[T.Lex]

Given that tom blow-chow spoke English for a living, you'd think he could comprehend the difference between FULL-auto and SEMI-auto.

On this one, having heard the gunfire in social media videos, I'll cut them a break.

I've been around guns all my life, including a couple occasions to hear full auto. If I were in the vicinity and heard what's on those vids, I'd first think bump-fire, but wouldn't rule out full auto.

Keep in mind, there are resources available to DIY an AR in to FA (even though it wouldn't be as fast as a 'natural' FA).

 

[CHCRandy]

Who shoots up a concert full of angry, white, gun toting, Bible thumpers........who were most likely Trump supporters. I mean, it was a country music concert.

Applying rational motives to the irrational is so damn frustrating.

Shhhhh...........don't tell CNN, you will ruin the day for them.

 

[Hohn]

I have heard it thrown around that the POS was shooting for about 5 minutes. That's an eternity if you are on the receiving end. But it's incredibly fast work by LEOs to narrow it down to that particular room, blow the door and kill the SOB.

Maybe TOO good to be true? Paging ATM...ATM, please pick up the white courtesy telephone.

 

[GIJEW]

Which is?

"NOT BLM? check!; NOT the pakastani/ISIS couple from the SanBernadino massacre? check!...64y.o. white man...yeah that sounds like some NRA guy! make sure that gets on the air"

 

[Bigtanker]

 

[hoosierdoc]

Was there an announcement to flee over speakers?