A Reagan approach to climate change

[mrjarrell]

George Shultz, Reagan's Secretary of state, puts forth a proposal to tackle climate change and brings up the fact that Reagan took on Ozone layer depletion during his tenure. It, like climate change, had its detractors. Reagan ignored them and put things into high gear to combat the holes in the ozone layer. He took into account that the detractors could possibly be right, but erred on the side of caution and the future. His plan paid off and the ozone depletion was reversed over time. Now Schultz is calling for the same kind of plan where climate change is concerned. Take out an insurance plan. Maybe some republicans will listen to him. There are many things we can do to ameliorate the potentially disastrous effects of climate change, if thousands of scientists are right and the evidence is correct, that won't break the bank or require massive government intervention.

A Reagan approach to climate change - The Washington Post

 

[Dosproduction]

Climate change is a hoax to keep the sheep in line. Ever heard of the Report from Iron Mountain.

 

[Blackhawk2001]

It's not even "Weird Science," it's "Faux Science." Not ONE of the dire predictions of the Global Warming/Climate Change alarmists has come true. Not ONE of their climate models has proven out in the short run. JUNK SCIENCE. And if I recall correctly, some scientists believed that the Ozone Layer was self-healing and would have healed itself without any intervention.

 

[D-Ric902]

The climate is changing, better or worse, it is. That is what climates do.
how did we come out of the ice age? Warming.
how did the ice age start? Cooling.

the issue is man made climate change. Which has become a political tool.

a medium sized volcano spouts more CO2 than we do in a century or so. Blocks more sunlight, and warms the atmosphere.

we, as a species, outside of a massive nuclear exchange don't amount to a gnat on an elephants backside to the planet.

even less, the memory of a gnat on an elephants backside.

actually the wings of a gnat in the memory of an elephants backside.

and a nuclear exchange would change the atmosphere and a shallow part of the surface at best. As far as the planet is concerned we are a not much more than a molecule. Earth has been here long before we were and will be long often we're gone.

 

[buckstopshere]

Instead of the Reagan approach, I prefer the congress approach - do nothing

 

[eldirector]

As the climate will change with or without us, why don't we put resources to adapting to the change?

 

[Blackhawk2001]

As the climate will change with or without us, why don't we put resources to adapting to the change?

The problem with that is that it doesn't give any particular faction more power over resources/lives/money.

 

[AutomationEngineer]

The ozone "hole" is a seasonal phenomenon first discovered in 1913. CFCs or Halocarbons, were invented in 1928, and were not commercialized until years later. When the patent protection was running out for Freon, Dupont silently funded a campaign to outlaw Freon as it would soon be overwhelmed by 3rd world suppliers, and Dupont held patents on the replacements for Freon. The thing is, CFCs were replaced with HCFCs, which do just as much damage [in a laboratory] as CFCs do to Ozone molecules. So in essence, we have done NOTHING for or against the ozone hole. It still exists. How large it is depends on what date it is that you measure. Voilà, the hole is getting worse/the hole is healing magic.

That was such an easy brainwash and made so much money for Dupont that Al Gore and a handful of others saw a golden opportunity and went for it hard. They are making money on the deal and to put the cherry on the cake it allows all future politicians to "hitch a ride on the money train" as long as they are willing to sell their soul for profit. [ like that is a stretch ]

The sad thing is, on either side of the debate, is that so many people will take a side because they think they should and all the logic and facts in the world will not get them to think about the truth. Robert Heinlein once said, "Men usually get the form of government they most deserve." I think he might have been quoting someone else, but it makes sense given all the hysteria without fact.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Instead of the Reagan approach, I prefer the congress approach - do nothing

Ironic that only thing congress won't do, is save the planet for future generations.

 

[eric001]

As the climate will change with or without us, why don't we put resources to adapting to the change?

Yaa, what he said. Let's face it folks--the evidence for raising ocean levels is incontrovertible. Yet what are the coastal states doing to really protect all those coastal cities?? Nuthin' much.

The politicians are so busy arguing about the causes of climate change...or outright denying such a thing could ever happen (I have to wonder how many of them have figured out that just because maps are flat doesn't mean the world is!) to look at actually doing something productive NOW rather than being put in the position of damage control after the damage has already happened.

Sadly, it's pretty much like planning for retirement... If you start in your younger days and do a little bit at a time, you can make it work. On the other hand, if you start at age 64.5 planning for your imminent retirement at 65, you're pretty much S.O.L. If only the politicians could be convinced that being proactive would cost the country less than pennies on the dollar compared to damage control after the fact.

I'm betting that politicians, regardless of party, will continue this trend, as absolutely NONE of them want to put something in place now that will cost money now that won't have measurable results that they can claim credit for NOW. Instead, they'd rather see the whole country go than let someone else get to take credit for something they did.

You can argue until you're more blue than the ocean itself, but that won't keep ocean levels from rising, or the climate from changing.

 

[level.eleven]

Why are you trying to have a discussion about climate change?

These folks get their information about climate from the INDY 1500 gun show. You might as well be talking to toddlers.

 

[indykid]

I always wondered how Indianapolis could be under an ozone alert, yet the freon that supposedly was destroying the ozone layer had no affect on ground level ozone.

Yes climate changes over time. Indiana was once under an ice sheet over a mile thick. Not here anymore is it? Yep, man made (read huge ego) must have caused it well before man walked upright on this great planet.

 

[oldpink]

I love George Schultz, but this is just silly.
It's fascinating how Climategate exposed "scientists" deliberately massaging their data, and consistently doing so to reinforce their confirmation bias.
Maybe we should ask the dinosaurs exactly what they did to make the climate considerably warmer for not just a few years, but for tens of millions of years before there ever was such a thing as a car or a factory.

 

[Kutnupe14]

I love George Schultz, but this is just silly.
It's fascinating how Climategate exposed "scientists" deliberately massaging their data, and consistently doing so to reinforce their confirmation bias.
Maybe we should ask the dinosaurs exactly what they did to make the climate considerably warmer for not just a few years, but for tens of millions of years before there ever was such a thing as a car or a factory.

Huh?

 

[oldpink]

In case you were unaware, the climate was considerably hotter during the Mesozoic era.
Ditto the late Paleozoic (Carboniferous and Permian periods) era.
This is not speculation; this is fact, unlike the scientifically dubious "research" that comes from "scientists" with both a financial and political interest in arriving at a predetermined conclusion.

 

[churchmouse]

In case you were unaware, the climate was considerably hotter during the Mesozoic era.
Ditto the late Paleozoic (Carboniferous and Permian periods) era.
This is not speculation; this is fact, unlike the scientifically dubious "research" that comes from "scientists" with both a financial and political interest in arriving at a predetermined conclusion.

Just follow the money.

 

[ModernGunner]

First off, George Schultz is NOT Ronald Reagan.

Second, 'climate change' is a libtard fallacy. A pure lie, perpetrated by morons that can't seem to comprehend the basic physics of the planet, and that this rock 'changes climates' on a daily basis.

Or, rather, they use that basic meteorological fact to perpetrate their libtard agenda.

It's a big, steaming pile of libtard They know it, we know it, yet the libtards still persist in attempting to cram their ideological viewpoints down the throats of everyone else. Presumably because they cater to the 'simple-minded', and expect those beyond their libtard 'base' to buy into their baloney. Fuhget-a-bout-it.

It's a lie. The libtards were 'busted' on it years ago, the same way their libtard Liar-In-Chief has been repeatedly busted for the constantly dribbling from his pie-hole.

Leave it alone, already.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Amazing to me the INGOers that appear to be open to supporting government intrevention in "saving the earth". Just goes to show us all that there's always room for the iron fist of the feds when it comes to contrived, fear-mongered, politically fueled issues--even for the supposed free market and keep your hands off crowds.

 

[buckstopshere]

Ironic that only thing congress won't do, is save the planet for future generations.

Thats not irony at all. You assume congress has the power to do something about climate change and they don't. The things that actually matter, like deforestization and water pollution, get lost in the shuffle amongst the lies.

Besides, when the U.S. .gov gets involved, things get worse not better.

Why are you trying to have a discussion about climate change?

These folks get their information about climate from the INDY 1500 gun show. You might as well be talking to toddlers.

Well, ya know, us toddlers do love a good fictional story. Maybe you can tell us the one about climate change after reading Pepa Pig?

 

[buckstopshere]

Amazing to me the INGOers that appear to be open to supporting government intrevention in "saving the earth". Just goes to show us all that there's always room for the iron fist of the feds when it comes to contrived, fear-mongered, politically fueled issues--even for the supposed free market and keep your hands off crowds.

Now that's irony!

well said popcorn dude