35 Remington - 1.800"

[johnwayne]

This sounds like a great idea. If the shortened cases are performing the same one could load up ten for hunting and use the regular for shooting. This is no big deal at all.

I sure would like to do this with a bolt action. I love a fine trigger and fast lock time better than anything.

 

[Tom Threetoes]

Well I've read the whole topic and you guys have talked me into another project! I've been collecting the tools to reload and shoot a shortened 45/70 including a pristine JM stamped 1895 Marlin. I just worked out a deal with my brother to get Dad's old 336 in .35. I'm thinkin' it would make my wife a nice birthday present as she was very fond of my dad.

 

[kludge]

I've said it before (not here) that in a strong action (bolt gun) the .35 Rem could be much more. The .35 Rem has been stymied for 100 years because of the Remington Model 8.

It's not going to match the .358 Winchester however, and if you have a short action rifle, there's no reason not to use the .358 Win and the cartridge length the action allows...

Except if you live in Indiana. IMO you could load the .35 Rem to the same pressure as the .308 or .358 Win.

And seeing that no one chambers a bolt gun with the .35 Rem... and you're spending the money anyway... it makes more sense to me chamber it in .358 Hoosier or the WSSM or even the 1.8" WSM.

 

[Imeagher]

Is anyone hunting with 35 rem in a bolt action. Would like to know how far it could be pushed in a strong a tion

 

[Hookeye]

They made a Model 7 synth a while back, but this the latest offering.......

http://www.remingtoncustom.com/HunterGrade_7CustomMS.aspx

FWIW there was a limited run of .35 Rem synth 7600's pumps in 2005, Grice Wholesale had 'em. Sold like hotcakes (as Grice I think is located in PA).

 

[Broom_jm]

I've said it before (not here) that in a strong action (bolt gun) the .35 Rem could be much more. The .35 Rem has been stymied for 100 years because of the Remington Model 8.

It's not going to match the .358 Winchester however, and if you have a short action rifle, there's no reason not to use the .358 Win and the cartridge length the action allows...

Except if you live in Indiana. IMO you could load the .35 Rem to the same pressure as the .308 or .358 Win.

And seeing that no one chambers a bolt gun with the .35 Rem... and you're spending the money anyway... it makes more sense to me chamber it in .358 Hoosier or the WSSM or even the 1.8" WSM.

Kludge,

I had the same thoughts concerning the 35 Remington a couple of years ago but, when I talked to a very well-known gunsmith about the subject, he stated that the 35 Remington case is simply not heavily constructed and pushing it to appreciably higher pressures is asking for trouble. He suggested, as you have, that going to the 356/358 case, or the even stronger short mag cases, would be the way to go. Another option would be to trim/form 30/40 Krag or 303 British brass to 35 Remington dimensions, with a rim cut for the chamber, thus taking advantage of the much stronger case designs of those two old military cartridges.

If you want to use a single-shot rifle already chambered in 35 Remington and you want to develop pressures ~50,000psi or more, the way to do it is by adapting it to use the heavier rimmed cases. If you want anything higher than that, from a bolt-action rifle, it's best to step up to a 358 Hoosier or one of the BFG options.

If you're going to stick with trimmed 35 Remington parent brass, the word is to keep pressures pretty close to factory/book loads.

 

[Imeagher]

That model 7 would be nice. I bet that custom shop price tag is a bit high for my wallet.

 

[kludge]

Kludge,

I had the same thoughts concerning the 35 Remington a couple of years ago but, when I talked to a very well-known gunsmith about the subject, he stated that the 35 Remington case is simply not heavily constructed and pushing it to appreciably higher pressures is asking for trouble.

Good to know!

 

[johnwayne]

The 35 Rem Rocks!

I like the 35 Remington just the way that it is. Where I hunt 100 yards would be a very long shot so I shoot a throttled down mild load of 35 gr H4895 with either the 180 gr Hornady SSP (limiting the magazine to one round) or the 200 gr Remington round nose. Amazingly both loads have the same POI at 100 yards.

With Levorevolution powder Hornady lists 2300 fps with a 180 gr and over 2200 fps with a 200 gr, all within SAMMI specs.

Some push the 35 Rem to 30/30 pressures which seems reasonable as the 30/30 has weaker brass.

That said the 35 Rem suits me just fine loaded down a bit. I don't want to put up with the increased blast and recoil that comes with shooting 35 caliber projectiles at 30-06 velocities.

It is a shame that we can't use the venerable 250 Savage. There we would have a 30'06 trajectory, plenty of White Tail stopping power, and the right amount of recoil that most shooters could master.

 

[kludge]

Yep, if I had a choice I'd be using something like the .250 Savage.

 

[Broom_jm]

How about a 300 Savage, with the shoulder pushed back JUST a tad, and the neck opened up to 35 caliber? Oh, and trimmed a tiny bit, to 1.800". It's called the 35 IHMSA, designed by a guy named Elgin Gates, and would be an excellent Indiana-legal option.

Silly regs, anyway!

 

[UncleNorby]

When I first saw the 358 Hoosier, I thought it looked just like a 35 cal 300 Savage!

 

[Broom_jm]

I've got the reamer drawings for the 35 IHMSA, if anyone is interested. This would be a "no-brainer" wildcat for Indiana rules, but no less expensive or effective than any of the other options.

How about a 338 Marlin Express, opened up 20 thousandths and trimmed back just a touch? The number of possible 'cats is almost endless, really.

 

[csmith]

Anyone else shot a deer with there 35 rem circumcised? I shot one this morning at a little over 50 yards that took 6 steps then pilled up. Out of my 1969 Marlin 336 my pet load is 39.5gr hndy leverevolution powder and 200gr FTX bullet seated to 2.54" OAL.

 

[Skip]

Jason,
The 300 Savage would be like having a necked 35 Max, according to the ballistics of a 200gr bullet in that cartridge.......I'm not being contentious but, could you explain how that is better than our WSSM performance?

 

[Broom_jm]

Jason,
The 300 Savage would be like having a necked 35 Max, according to the ballistics of a 200gr bullet in that cartridge.......I'm not being contentious but, could you explain how that is better than our WSSM performance?

You might want to check those numbers again...the 300 Savage case is considerably larger in diameter, and works at higher pressures, than a 357 MAX. It's also the full 1.800 instead of 1.625".

The 35 IHMSA would not be better than the 35 WSSM and not in the same league with the 35 WSM 1.8", but it would be quite a bit faster than a 357 Herrett or 35 Remmy-Short. It's a tweener!

 

[Skip]

357 Max 15" barrel so, you would get more velocity from a longer barrel.
[SIZE=-1]200[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Sierra roundnose[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Hodgdon[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]H-110 [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]1,699[/SIZE]
300 Savage

[SIZE=-1]200[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Speer SP[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Hodgdon[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]H-4895, [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]2,089[/SIZE]
So, they would be close....Not exact, but close...

But, now I understand your point better, tweener. Got it and for that, yes, a good choice.

 

[rjhans53]

I have taken a 358 winchester case trimmed it down to 1.795, loaded with standard book loads and shot them out of both my bolt guns, I filled up the mag and let em rip. The 100 yd groups open up a tad but they still shoot 1 1/2 - 1 3/4. I have checked the oal on the 4th round in the chamber the 4 times I took this to the range and it hasn't moved any. NO there isn't much neck holding the bullet but it does seem to hold. On the trimmed 35 rem you've got more neck than my original 35 short, and there has been many rounds went down range in load development in the short and the bullets never worked loose, however all my stuff is built on a bolt and not a lever

 

[Slow Hand]

Anyone else shot a deer with there 35 rem circumcised? I shot one this morning at a little over 50 yards that took 6 steps then pilled up. Out of my 1969 Marlin 336 my pet load is 39.5gr hndy leverevolution powder and 200gr FTX bullet seated to 2.54" OAL.

I shot two on Saturday. Not huge but decent sized. Doe was around 30 yards, quartering away; shot entered back of ribcage and exited at te base of the neck on the offside. Missed the heart but destroyed both lungs. She still ran about 100 yards before dropping. It looked like someone had dumped a five gallon bucket of blood on her trail!

Shot the buck about fifteen minutes later, he was about 60 yards out and I hit him too far back. He only ran about 25 yards and dropped. I ended up putting another shot at the base of his head and he was done.

Forget the load offhand but I think it was 33.0 gr of 2230 under a hornady 200 gr spitzer. Shot out of a one of a kind Remington Model 8 carbine with a 16" barrel and Marble's peep sights.

Mine are the two on the right here...

 

[johnwayne]

I'm using a 200 gr Remington round nose over 35 gr H4895.
It seems to be the Hammer of Thor as it gives good smack down.
I'm very impressed with the 35 Remington "short". Even with reduced loads it
has plenty of smack down power. I see no need for anything with more blast and recoil.
I hope to try the 180 Hornady SSP loaded even lighter next, loading just one in the magazine for safety's sake although I put that bullet point first on a primer sitting on an anvil and smacked it with a hammer and the primer didn't go off.