17 year old kid shot dead by Neighborhood Watch "Captain"

[figley]

Some people are pretty sensitive to lying under oath around these parts. Clinton, anyone?

What does it say about a man, when he will troll a philosophical question?

 

[hornadylnl]

What does it say about a man, when he will troll a philosophical question?

What does it say about a man when he will convict a prosecuter on speculation but no manner of evidence is enough to charge Zimmerman?

 

[Dirtebiker]

When you choose to carry a firearm you have the ultimate responsibility to avoid using it. The kid had the right as we all do to walk down the street. It appears he wasn't doing anything illegal. The shooter was told not to engage the kid. He chose to ignore the direction and might have gotten whooped on. It isn't self defense if you bring a gun to a fistfight. I am sad that the media has turned this into a CCW issue. It is a bad decision issue and the court will decide. Leave the guns out of it. Chicago has terrible restrictions on guns and 40 people were shot last week.

I've heard many, many people say that the dispatcher told ( or ordered) G.Z. To stop following T.M.. It didn't happen! The dispatcher asked if he was following him, G.Z. Answered "yes", dispatcher said "we don't need you to do that", G.Z. Said "o.k." and it's been said that is when he started to return to his vehicle. There's a big difference between "he was ordered to stop following" and "we don't need you to do that" ! So, G.Z. Didn't "ignore the direction" since no direction was given! And he didn't " bring a gun to a fist fight", he had a gun on him when he got into an altercation ( how ever it got to that point), and ended up using it after having his head slammed against a sidewalk ( allegedly)!
The "kid" wasn't shot for "walking down the street"! He was shot for beating on another person! And yes, until the altercation, it did appear that T.M. Wasn't doing anything illegal,....... And neither was G.Z.!

 

[Blackhawk2001]

What does it say about a man when he will convict a prosecuter on speculation but no manner of evidence is enough to charge Zimmerman?

The Prosecutor isn't the one "presumed innocent until proven guilty" unless formal charges are brought against her.

 

[Fargo]

The Prosecutor isn't the one "presumed innocent until proven guilty" unless formal charges are brought against her.

The presumption of innocence is a legal due process principle applicable only within the confines of the court system to a person accused of a crime. In the "Internet Speculating" system where anyone can indict, convict and propose punishment, it either applies to all or none.

Joe

 

[Blackhawk2001]

The presumption of innocence is a legal due process principle applicable only within the confines of the court system to a person accused of a crime. In the "Internet Speculating" system where anyone can indict, convict and propose punishment, it either applies to all or none.

Joe

The internet speculating process doesn't put citizens in jail - yet.

 

[Fargo]

The internet speculating process doesn't put citizens in jail - yet.

Exactly, which is why the presumption of innocence generally is almost never a valid principle to argue from on internet forums.

Joe

 

[Glock19]

Getting his bond revoked was a tactic by the prosecution. It worked...now his credability will be in question. But even if they think he is a liar, the jury still needs evidence that what he says happened isn't what happened....

 

[figley]

Now that, due to questions of credibility, much witness testimony, and the defendant's testimony, will be essentially discounted, much more evidence will likely be put on physical evidence, will it not? IMHO, that points even more strongly to GZ's eventual exoneration, but probably not a SYG dismissal.

Ironically, he had a valid SYG defense, to begin with.

 

[strahd71]

Getting his bond revoked was a tactic by the prosecution. It worked...now his credability will be in question. But even if they think he is a liar, the jury still needs evidence that what he says happened isn't what happened....

do they? not being argumentative but i'm sure we can all think of some cases with overwhelming proof where people have not been convicted, or people have been convicted with nothing.

as long as the jury wants to convict him they will. i personally think that the jury selection will be more important than the evidence possibly in the case.

just an opinion tho

jake

 

[winchester1]

Any guesses as to how long the trial will drag out?

 

[IndyDave1776]

Any guesses as to how long the trial will drag out?

Forget packing a lunch. I would recommend starting with at least a $5000 gift card at the establishment of your choice.

 

[griffin]

Forget packing a lunch. I would recommend starting with at least a $5000 gift card at the establishment of your choice.

I disagree. If it gets to trial, it won't last long. There is no reason for it to last long. Maybe a week at most, I'm thinking.

 

[Regionnus Rattis]

What happened????

 

[terrehautian]

.........

 

[Regionnus Rattis]

What happened????

I meant that to be PURPLE...

 

[Kutnupe14]

O'Mara said Zimmerman acknowledged that he had "allowed his financial situation to misstated in court" in April. But he said Zimmerman had been "forthright and cooperative" in other regards.

"Mr. Zimmerman knew a significant sum had been raised by his original fundraising website. We feel the failure to disclose these funds was caused by fear, mistrust and confusion," O'Mara said.

"The gravity of this mistake has been directly illustrated, and Mr. Zimmerman understands that this mistake has undermined his credibility, which he will have to work to repair

Trayvon Martin Case: George Zimmerman Asks For Second Bond Hearing

No Bueno

 

[bobzilla]

Gee... I wonder why he would be scared of a special prosecutor that has madei t clear that she is working for the Martin family to find "justice" at all costs?

 

[Kutnupe14]

Gee... I wonder why he would be scared of a special prosecutor that has madei t clear that she is working for the Martin family to find "justice" at all costs?

Or perhaps Zimmerman is a pathological liar...

-After shooting Trayvon Martin in late February, he told Sanford police he didn’t have a criminal history. He did.

-Several weeks later, he told the Seminole County Sheriff’s Office he had never been in a pretrial-diversion program. That’s also untrue.

-He contradicted himself on the witness stand in April, telling Martin’s family during an apology that he had thought their son was close to his age. On the night of the shooting, Zimmerman, 28, described the 17-year-old to police as in his “late teens.”

-police said afterward that they doubted some of his statements, for example that before he shot Martin, the teenager had put his hand over Zimmerman’s mouth. If that were the case, police said, the cries for help in the background of one 911 call would be muffled.

-At the April 20 bond hearing, Investigator Dale Gilbreath testified that Zimmerman’s version of events was inconsistent with other evidence. He did not provide details, and Zimmerman’s statements have not yet been released.


Credibility may prove key in George Zimmerman case - BostonHerald.com

 

[CarmelHP]

Or perhaps Zimmerman is a pathological liar...

Then I guess he'd make a good cop.