1 dead...police chase...Indy’s northwest side ends...officer-involved shooting

[femurphy77]

Well this is going as predicted. Bold for emphasis below on the local media bias and the group-think.

Local pastors call for changes to IMPD policies, training


INDIANAPOLIS — City pastors play an important role in helping families, their congregations and our community move forward following many violent acts.
“It’s not just a news story for us because we pray with these families, we bury the lost,” said Pastor Timothy Taylor of Taberacle Missionary Baptist Church. “We are constantly the counselors to these families, and it’s affecting our community. We want to be apart of the change that’s to come forth.”


Several local pastors of predominantly African American churches gathered on the steps of the Antioch Missionary Baptist Church to detail the changes they would like to see regarding the way IMPD polices the community.
This gathering comes after the officer-involved shootings last week and the shooting deaths of Nya Cope and Rodgerick Payne Jr., along with other homicides in the city.


“We want to make a clear statement to our city,” said Pastor Clyde Posley of Antioch Missionary Baptist Church. “The African American clergy is a part of what’s going on in terms of a protest.”


This group of pastors is calling for a separate review board composed of only citizens. They want this board to be funded by the city, and have the ability to recommend discipline if warranted in officer-involved incidents.
“If a police officer knew that if he took a shot that was wrong and cost someone something, maybe it should cost him something or her something,” Posley said.


Posley said police should not investigate themselves. During the news conference, pastors also requested an immediate ban on police chases faster than 50 miles per hour in neighborhoods. IMPD reports they are already working on updating their pursuit policy.


“In these neighborhoods you have children running around playing, anybody could get hurt,” Taylor said. “Anybody could die in an accident if that would happen. There has to be a better way, if someone is fleeing from the police, that we could apprehend them.”


Pastors also say implicit bias is an issue.
“When you see blackness as only criminal, and a condemned portion of society and therefore devalued, what is also occurring then is this mindset that jumps in that says it doesn’t matter if I take the life of this unvaluable person,” Posley said.


IMPD reports the officer who shot Dreasjon Reed is African American. We asked Posley if that makes a difference when it comes to his concerns.


“It’s the system of thinking that’s often in police departments that your biggest enemy is the black male, the young black male,” Posley responded. “If you become a part of the thin blue line, you are not exempt from the thinking that goes forth.”


Posley believes we all play a role in achieving equality.


“In cities where that balance is brought to an equalization, you are seeing legislation that works for everyone,” Posley said.


IMPD did respond to the concerns regarding bias which were brought up during the news conference saying, “IMPD remains committed to protecting and serving every resident of Indianapolis. We’re always open to the types of conversations that help us better understand the needs of our community.”


The newly announced “Use of Force” review board will be made up of both IMPD officers and appointed community members. That board will only determine if an officer’s actions were in compliance or not in compliance.


There is an existing Police Merit Board which is made up of community members only. This board reviews hirings, firings and discipline at the recommendation of the police chief, providing a checks and balance system.

https://fox59.com/news/local-pastors-call-for-changes-to-impd-policies-training/

Are there any examples of this working anywhere in the world? To be fair they need to have been suffering the same ills that this group says exists and then show that their methodology turned things around for the better.

Yeah I know.

Never happen.

 

[MarkC]

Well this is going as predicted. Bold for emphasis below on the local media bias and the group-think.

Local pastors call for changes to IMPD policies, training


INDIANAPOLIS — City pastors play an important role in helping families, their congregations and our community move forward following many violent acts.
“It’s not just a news story for us because we pray with these families, we bury the lost,” said Pastor Timothy Taylor of Taberacle Missionary Baptist Church. “We are constantly the counselors to these families, and it’s affecting our community. We want to be apart of the change that’s to come forth.”


Several local pastors of predominantly African American churches gathered on the steps of the Antioch Missionary Baptist Church to detail the changes they would like to see regarding the way IMPD polices the community.
This gathering comes after the officer-involved shootings last week and the shooting deaths of Nya Cope and Rodgerick Payne Jr., along with other homicides in the city.


“We want to make a clear statement to our city,” said Pastor Clyde Posley of Antioch Missionary Baptist Church. “The African American clergy is a part of what’s going on in terms of a protest.”


This group of pastors is calling for a separate review board composed of only citizens. They want this board to be funded by the city, and have the ability to recommend discipline if warranted in officer-involved incidents.
“If a police officer knew that if he took a shot that was wrong and cost someone something, maybe it should cost him something or her something,” Posley said.


Posley said police should not investigate themselves. During the news conference, pastors also requested an immediate ban on police chases faster than 50 miles per hour in neighborhoods. IMPD reports they are already working on updating their pursuit policy.


“In these neighborhoods you have children running around playing, anybody could get hurt,” Taylor said. “Anybody could die in an accident if that would happen. There has to be a better way, if someone is fleeing from the police, that we could apprehend them.”


Pastors also say implicit bias is an issue.
“When you see blackness as only criminal, and a condemned portion of society and therefore devalued, what is also occurring then is this mindset that jumps in that says it doesn’t matter if I take the life of this unvaluable person,” Posley said.


IMPD reports the officer who shot Dreasjon Reed is African American. We asked Posley if that makes a difference when it comes to his concerns.


“It’s the system of thinking that’s often in police departments that your biggest enemy is the black male, the young black male,” Posley responded. “If you become a part of the thin blue line, you are not exempt from the thinking that goes forth.”


Posley believes we all play a role in achieving equality.


“In cities where that balance is brought to an equalization, you are seeing legislation that works for everyone,” Posley said.


IMPD did respond to the concerns regarding bias which were brought up during the news conference saying, “IMPD remains committed to protecting and serving every resident of Indianapolis. We’re always open to the types of conversations that help us better understand the needs of our community.”


The newly announced “Use of Force” review board will be made up of both IMPD officers and appointed community members. That board will only determine if an officer’s actions were in compliance or not in compliance.


There is an existing Police Merit Board which is made up of community members only. This board reviews hirings, firings and discipline at the recommendation of the police chief, providing a checks and balance system.

https://fox59.com/news/local-pastors-call-for-changes-to-impd-policies-training/

The "pastors" say they want "equality;" what they really want is for the police to go away and let their "constituents" or "congregants" do what ever they want, without sanction.

Once that happens, such as in Baltimore, the decent people who can leave, do leave. Those who are stuck that aren't part of the problem become the real victims. Then comes anger with the police for the high crime.

Be careful of what you ask for.

 

[churchmouse]

The "pastors" say they want "equality;" what they really want is for the police to go away and let their "constituents" or "congregants" do what ever they want, without sanction.

Once that happens, such as in Baltimore, the decent people who can leave, do leave. Those who are stuck that aren't part of the problem become the real victims. Then comes anger with the police for the high crime.

Be careful of what you ask for.

Take away the cameras and the aledged reporters. Stop the social media hype. This will simmer down.
Give these "Pastors" and community "Leaders" a stage and they will use it in this manner.
We are responsible in an offbeat way when we let the drum of racism continue to be a tool weaponized against us. Add in PC thought control and we are ****ed.

 

[MarkC]

Take away the cameras and the aledged reporters. Stop the social media hype. This will simmer down.
Give these "Pastors" and community "Leaders" a stage and they will use it in this manner.
We are responsible in an offbeat way when we let the drum of racism continue to be a tool weaponized against us. Add in PC thought control and we are ****ed.

You're right about the media. They are only supplying the content that sells to their market. "If it bleeds, it leads." As I observed upthread, the media coverage of incidents I was involved in often looked nothing like what actually happened.

 

[Doug]

The "pastors" say they want "equality;" what they really want is for the police to go away and let their "constituents" or "congregants" do what ever they want, without sanction.

Once that happens, such as in Baltimore, the decent people who can leave, do leave. Those who are stuck that aren't part of the problem become the real victims. Then comes anger with the police for the high crime.

Be careful of what you ask for.

No, they want the police to enforce the law in such a way that no one in the African American community is harmed or inconvenienced. The police must stop all theft and assault without speaking harshly to, or arresting, anyone.

The police should receive sensitivity training that will enable them to discuss and defuse the situation when a disgruntled person is shooting at them.

 

[Trigger Time]

Well this is going as predicted. Bold for emphasis below on the local media bias and the group-think.

Local pastors call for changes to IMPD policies, training


INDIANAPOLIS — City pastors play an important role in helping families, their congregations and our community move forward following many violent acts.
“It’s not just a news story for us because we pray with these families, we bury the lost,” said Pastor Timothy Taylor of Taberacle Missionary Baptist Church. “We are constantly the counselors to these families, and it’s affecting our community. We want to be apart of the change that’s to come forth.”


Several local pastors of predominantly African American churches gathered on the steps of the Antioch Missionary Baptist Church to detail the changes they would like to see regarding the way IMPD polices the community.
This gathering comes after the officer-involved shootings last week and the shooting deaths of Nya Cope and Rodgerick Payne Jr., along with other homicides in the city.


“We want to make a clear statement to our city,” said Pastor Clyde Posley of Antioch Missionary Baptist Church. “The African American clergy is a part of what’s going on in terms of a protest.”


This group of pastors is calling for a separate review board composed of only citizens. They want this board to be funded by the city, and have the ability to recommend discipline if warranted in officer-involved incidents.
“If a police officer knew that if he took a shot that was wrong and cost someone something, maybe it should cost him something or her something,” Posley said.


Posley said police should not investigate themselves. During the news conference, pastors also requested an immediate ban on police chases faster than 50 miles per hour in neighborhoods. IMPD reports they are already working on updating their pursuit policy.


“In these neighborhoods you have children running around playing, anybody could get hurt,” Taylor said. “Anybody could die in an accident if that would happen. There has to be a better way, if someone is fleeing from the police, that we could apprehend them.”


Pastors also say implicit bias is an issue.
“When you see blackness as only criminal, and a condemned portion of society and therefore devalued, what is also occurring then is this mindset that jumps in that says it doesn’t matter if I take the life of this unvaluable person,” Posley said.


IMPD reports the officer who shot Dreasjon Reed is African American. We asked Posley if that makes a difference when it comes to his concerns.


“It’s the system of thinking that’s often in police departments that your biggest enemy is the black male, the young black male,” Posley responded. “If you become a part of the thin blue line, you are not exempt from the thinking that goes forth.”


Posley believes we all play a role in achieving equality.


“In cities where that balance is brought to an equalization, you are seeing legislation that works for everyone,” Posley said.


IMPD did respond to the concerns regarding bias which were brought up during the news conference saying, “IMPD remains committed to protecting and serving every resident of Indianapolis. We’re always open to the types of conversations that help us better understand the needs of our community.”


The newly announced “Use of Force” review board will be made up of both IMPD officers and appointed community members. That board will only determine if an officer’s actions were in compliance or not in compliance.


There is an existing Police Merit Board which is made up of community members only. This board reviews hirings, firings and discipline at the recommendation of the police chief, providing a checks and balance system.

https://fox59.com/news/local-pastors-call-for-changes-to-impd-policies-training/

This is what happens when you elect Democrats.

No wonder why libtard cities turn to crap.

How about these faith leaders address the real problem. Their little gang bangers shooting at the cops.
Change the culture in your community. There's a big culture problem alright but it's not within the thin blue line.

 

[MarkC]

No, they want the police to enforce the law in such a way that no one in the African American community is harmed or inconvenienced. The police must stop all theft and assault without speaking harshly to, or arresting, anyone.

The police should receive sensitivity training that will enable them to discuss and defuse the situation when a disgruntled person is shooting at them.

Yes, wanting the magical outcome. Reality need not intrude....

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

This is what happens when you elect Democrats.

No wonder why libtard cities turn to crap.

How about these faith leaders address the real problem. Their little gang bangers shooting at the cops.
Change the culture in your community. There's a big culture problem alright but it's not within the thin blue line.

Yeah. I think we'd all acknowledge there's always room for improvement. There's always things we could tweak over time, as conditions change, as our understanding evolves, etc. But your odds of getting shot by a cop, while they don't go to zero, significantly improve by not shooting at them first. Follow that book that pastor is supposed to be preaching out of and you'll probably be less likely to get shot at.

 

[Trigger Time]

The "pastors" say they want "equality;" what they really want is for the police to go away and let their "constituents" or "congregants" do what ever they want, without sanction.

Once that happens, such as in Baltimore, the decent people who can leave, do leave. Those who are stuck that aren't part of the problem become the real victims. Then comes anger with the police for the high crime.

Be careful of what you ask for.

Build a wall around their hoods and let them kill each other and figure it out. The community with either get pissed and start hanging the gang bangers or the gangs will kill and rob all of the other people.
Let them see for themselves. I'd rather not send the police in there either as long as we can keep them all isolated. The problem is they breed and expand. No one in the suburbs wants their asses moving in and bringing this crap with them.

We need to stop throwing money at them. Stop paying for them to have kids and keep growing. Stop paying to feed them.
Teach them to get jobs, be fathers and take care of their community.
And lock up and throw away the keys for the ones who are career criminals or use guns in crimes.

 

[MarkC]

Build a wall around their hoods and let them kill each other and figure it out. The community with either get pissed and start hanging the gang bangers or the gangs will kill and rob all of the other people.
Let them see for themselves. I'd rather not send the police in there either as long as we can keep them all isolated. The problem is they breed and expand. No one in the suburbs wants their asses moving in and bringing this crap with them.

42nd and Post Road in Indianapolis used to be a decent neighborhood, with many service members from Fort Harrison living there and nearby. Now it is one of the more dangerous places in Indianapolis. Fort Harrison closing, along with other things, of course, kicked the guts out of the east side.

The east side where I grew up has drastically changed.

 

[Trigger Time]

42nd and Post Road in Indianapolis used to be a decent neighborhood, with many service members from Fort Harrison living there and nearby. Now it is one of the more dangerous places in Indianapolis. Fort Harrison closing, along with other things, of course, kicked the guts out of the east side.

The east side where I grew up has drastically changed.

Beech grove is going to be next. They're all moving in there and it's going to hell too.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

42nd and Post Road in Indianapolis used to be a decent neighborhood, with many service members from Fort Harrison living there and nearby. Now it is one of the more dangerous places in Indianapolis. Fort Harrison closing, along with other things, of course, kicked the guts out of the east side.

The east side where I grew up has drastically changed.

I lived in some apartments just to the west of Post on 42nd back in the mid 80's and it was rough back then even. I remember coming home from work (TGI Friday's up at Keystone @ the Crossing) one night and the complex was blocked off because one of the security guards had been stabbed. Had to park in the neighborhood across the street and walk home.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Beech grove is going to be next. They're all moving in there and it's going to hell too.

Same in that area around Southern Plaza, and around 31 and Thompson. Between the apartment complexes and the crack motels it's getting sketchy in a hurry.

 

[MarkC]

Same in that area around Southern Plaza, and around 31 and Thompson. Between the apartment complexes and the crack motels it's getting sketchy in a hurry.

Mrs. MarkC and I lived in Perry Township between 2006 and 2014. The deterioration of the area was visible. We're glad to be out of Marion County.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Mrs. MarkC and I lived in Perry Township between 2006 and 2014. The deterioration of the area was visible. We're glad to be out of Marion County.

It used to be a great area. I'm living in the house that I grew up in and remember riding our bikes up to Southern Plaza back in the early 70's to go to the carnivals they'd have up there in the summers.

 

[IndyBeerman]

42nd and Post Road in Indianapolis used to be a decent neighborhood, with many service members from Fort Harrison living there and nearby. Now it is one of the more dangerous places in Indianapolis. Fort Harrison closing, along with other things, of course, kicked the guts out of the east side.

The east side where I grew up has drastically changed.

42nd & Post area has been running downhill since the mid to late 90's, and has accelerated into a landslide the last 10 years. My late father used tp live at 10th and Fenton.

I used to deliver Budweiser in the geographical area boundaries of E38th to the North, Southeastern Ave to the south Keystone to the West and Post Rd to the East with some outlying major accounts. I watched that whole area turn into a cluster of people who DGaF.

You couldn't PAY me to drive through the area now in my own personal vehicle little alone in a beer truck.

 

[chipbennett]

INDIANAPOLIS — City pastors play an important role in helping families, their congregations and our community move forward following many violent acts.
“It’s not just a news story for us because we pray with these families, we bury the lost,” said Pastor Timothy Taylor of Taberacle Missionary Baptist Church. “We are constantly the counselors to these families, and it’s affecting our community. We want to be apart of the change that’s to come forth.”

If only these "clergy" wanted to be a part of encouraging citizenry to be law-abiding and to act morally.

(Note to FOX reporter: "apart" and "a part" are two different things. The misuse here adds a certain irony to the quote.)

Several local pastors of predominantly African American churches gathered on the steps of the Antioch Missionary Baptist Church to detail the changes they would like to see regarding the way IMPD polices the community.
This gathering comes after the officer-involved shootings last week and the shooting deaths of Nya Cope and Rodgerick Payne Jr., along with other homicides in the city.


“We want to make a clear statement to our city,” said Pastor Clyde Posley of Antioch Missionary Baptist Church. “The African American clergy is a part of what’s going on in terms of a protest.”

If only these "clergy" would be out protesting drive-by shootings, unlawful possession of firearms by felons, reckless driving, skipping out on warrants, unlawfully fleeing police, resisting arrest, and shooting at police officers.

This group of pastors is calling for a separate review board composed of only citizens. They want this board to be funded by the city, and have the ability to recommend discipline if warranted in officer-involved incidents.
“If a police officer knew that if he took a shot that was wrong and cost someone something, maybe it should cost him something or her something,” Posley said.


Posley said police should not investigate themselves. During the news conference, pastors also requested an immediate ban on police chases faster than 50 miles per hour in neighborhoods. IMPD reports they are already working on updating their pursuit policy.


“In these neighborhoods you have children running around playing, anybody could get hurt,” Taylor said. “Anybody could die in an accident if that would happen. There has to be a better way, if someone is fleeing from the police, that we could apprehend them.”

There is a better way. Instead of protesting enforcement of laws and pursuit of dangerous persons, protest the actions of the dangerous persons putting innocent lives in danger.

Pastors also say implicit bias is an issue.
“When you see blackness as only criminal, and a condemned portion of society and therefore devalued, what is also occurring then is this mindset that jumps in that says it doesn’t matter if I take the life of this unvaluable person,” Posley said.


IMPD reports the officer who shot Dreasjon Reed is African American. We asked Posley if that makes a difference when it comes to his concerns.


“It’s the system of thinking that’s often in police departments that your biggest enemy is the black male, the young black male,” Posley responded. “If you become a part of the thin blue line, you are not exempt from the thinking that goes forth.”

What if we turned this statement around on the "clergy", and admonished them for not being exempt from the thinking that goes forth from becoming part of a racial tension-fomenting clergy? I wonder how well that message might be received?

Posley believes we all play a role in achieving equality.

IF only we all played a role in achieving responsibility for our own actions.

 

[chipbennett]

No, they want the police to enforce the law in such a way that no one in the African American community is harmed or inconvenienced. The police must stop all theft and assault without speaking harshly to, or arresting, anyone.

The police should receive sensitivity training that will enable them to discuss and defuse the situation when a disgruntled person is shooting at them.

The great, tragic irony here is that the community most hurt by African American criminals being allowed to act criminally with impunity is... the innocent, law-abiding African American community.

This is the very essence of cutting off one's own nose to spite one's face.

 

[printcraft]

“If a young thug knew that if he took a shot that was wrong and cost someone something, maybe it should cost him something or her something,” Posley said.

... FTFH

It’s an amazing leap of logic I know.

 

[cbhausen]

One’s chances of achieving ripe old age go up dramatically when one chooses not to adopt the thug lifestyle. Aided, abetted and encouraged by the Democrat party and popular culture, the thug lifestyle is deeply ingrained in urban communities. This problem has taken generations to develop and won’t be resolved anytime soon. As long as I may cross paths with animals like these, one more reason NOBODY is EVER going to take my guns.