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    1. SheepDog4Life

      USAF Airman Killed in Wrong Address Police Incident

      What's that depend on? That in this one they really did have the completely wrong apartment? That the deputy had already drawn his sidearm prior to even knocking on the door? That they did not announce as LEO? IANAL, but the part about viewing the facts in the light most favorable to the...
    2. SheepDog4Life

      USAF Airman Killed in Wrong Address Police Incident

      Which is what, exactly? And does that apply equally if you open your front door to some rando banging on it... and he has a Glock in his hand? Would you feel that was an imminent threat? Or nah, just the mere presence of a handgun... no different than all the fuds OC'ing 1911's (I'm one of them...
    3. SheepDog4Life

      USAF Airman Killed in Wrong Address Police Incident

      Either he has some stuff in his background we haven't heard about (doubtful) or... it's political. *shock* *gasp*
    4. SheepDog4Life

      USAF Airman Killed in Wrong Address Police Incident

      So OC in a holster... open carry in your hand... same, same? Sounds like a Walmart story in the making. :)
    5. SheepDog4Life

      USAF Airman Killed in Wrong Address Police Incident

      You keep mistating what I've said... It's GUN IN HAND, not mere presence of a gun.
    6. SheepDog4Life

      USAF Airman Killed in Wrong Address Police Incident

      First, let me say that Roger Forston didn't "deserve" to die. IMO, he did something stupid, totally legal but stupid, and paid a severe price for... the whole thing is nothing short of tragic. Second, the Sheriff initially called this a self-defense situation because Forston answered the door...
    7. SheepDog4Life

      USAF Airman Killed in Wrong Address Police Incident

      No Glock here either... all of my CZ's have blacked out rear night sights, only my HK P30SK has factory rear dots. Like you, I could start to see them at 60-65 degrees and at 45 degrees, 100% clear. Admittedly, not with a Glock, but I think we have each thoroughly debunked that statement in...
    8. SheepDog4Life

      USAF Airman Killed in Wrong Address Police Incident

      Lots of truth there ECS! I'm especially in agreement with the last part... if the situation is threatening enough that it requires a LEO drawing their firearm AND pointing it at someone, the LEO should be able to clearly articulate why what would otherwise be a felony assault charge, was necessary.
    9. SheepDog4Life

      USAF Airman Killed in Wrong Address Police Incident

      At three feet? Yeah... So, not straight down, by his side.
    10. SheepDog4Life

      USAF Airman Killed in Wrong Address Police Incident

      Nope, no FAFO signs either... lol! Really just trying to figure out the thinking on this one... as best I can understand, a LEO going to a DV call, after clearly and multiple times announcing themselves, is supposed to wait for "something threatening" when a dude opens the door with a gun in...
    11. SheepDog4Life

      USAF Airman Killed in Wrong Address Police Incident

      He had no where to go... he was left of the door between the door and a stairwell rail. There's maybe 3 seconds between the door opening and first shot. (just watching the YT time, nothing fancy) We have no idea where the gun was pointed until a fraction of a second prior to the shot. It could...
    12. SheepDog4Life

      USAF Airman Killed in Wrong Address Police Incident

      I went back to the badge cam video... when the Airman opens the door, we, through the camera, cannot see him, nor his hand, nor the gun... It could be anywhere, in any orientation. The cam cannot see what the deputy saw. So, just to be clear, YOU NOR I have any idea where the gun was pointing...
    13. SheepDog4Life

      USAF Airman Killed in Wrong Address Police Incident

      Sure, perhaps I missed the multiple reports and follow-ups, commentary and discussions of this on the national nightly news, morning shows, etc. for weeks on end...
    14. SheepDog4Life

      USAF Airman Killed in Wrong Address Police Incident

      There was a DV call... it's why the deputy was even there in the first place. It's been a minute, but IIRC, in the badge cam the deputy interacts with the caller, the apartment complex manager, and she directs him to the Airman's apartment. Unless I missed something, the apartment number she...
    15. SheepDog4Life

      USAF Airman Killed in Wrong Address Police Incident

      Having lived in several apartments, I'd say so loud that everyone in that apartment, the surrounding apartments, the apartments upstairs and downstairs from the apartment, would be able to easily hear and comprehend. From the deputy's perspective, the dude "obviously" heard it because he came...
    16. SheepDog4Life

      USAF Airman Killed in Wrong Address Police Incident

      Back to this tragic shooting... deputy was on a domesti cviolence call and went to the apartment the apartment manager directed him to... not sure where the "he was at the wrong apartment" comments come from other than Crump's initial, false statements... he knocked and announced multiple times...
    17. SheepDog4Life

      USAF Airman Killed in Wrong Address Police Incident

      i think the point was a white dude was gunned down in a very similar (worse IMO*) situation and it's not national news. "We" discussed it, but crickets on the national news stage. * I say worse because it didn't appear he had gun in hand, gun in small of back and hand behind his back. The one...
    18. SheepDog4Life

      USAF Airman Killed in Wrong Address Police Incident

      Okaloosa county is Destin/FWB. I'm shocked by charges being filed, but then again, I was shocked that he was fired... loudly announced twice that he was sheriff's dept and the Airman opened the door carrying a handgun. Tragic? Yes! Criminal? I'm not seeing it... at all...
    19. SheepDog4Life

      INGO: Joke of the day page

    20. SheepDog4Life

      Who Will Be Trump’s VP Pick?

      I only knew of JD Vance from his book, movie and from his Senate run. Just saw his CNN interview with Dana Bash... he utterly aand emphatically, DESTROYED! Very impressed by how well-spoken, unflustered, and on-point he was... very impressed.
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