USAF Airman Killed in Wrong Address Police Incident

[Cameramonkey]

I'm not locked into a paradigm that most things like this, can't be fixed.

EVERY problem has a solution...in theory.

Exactly, Denny.

Creed, you offered a suggestion. I pointed out how it COULD be done, but its just not practical.

I COULD dig a ditch with a garden trowel. But the effort wouldnt be worth the outcome.

 

[Creedmoor]

EVERY problem has a solution...in theory.

And with people thinking like that, that's why lots of things just don't get fixed.
Everything has a cost, when LE wants it changed, it will change.
When the public demands change, it will change.
Its nothing more than a Cost Benefit Analysis.

 

[EPeter213]

EVERY problem has a solution...in theory.

And just for a bit of levity, remember that not evey solution has a problem.

It has been an interesting read. Thanks for keeping it civil everyone.

 

[Tombs]

I struggle with getting killed in the LE world is somehow different than one having a violent death with an industrial accident or getting ripped apart in a PTO shaft is not the same as being killed while in LE.
Danger is Danger, Dead is Dead.

Seeing someone die at the hands of another person, seeing malicious violent consequences, is a very VERY different experience to an accident. No matter how bad of an accident it might be.

There's complicated psychology to it, and we wouldn't need psychologists if it was that easy to process.

I've had a lot of friends who were in active combat in Afghanistan. It gets ugly and complicated. Some of the body's reactions to the shock can also cause significant trauma. This stuff just does not happen with an accident.

 

[AndreusMaximus]

I stopped reading with...

But it did make me laugh.

Laugh at what now?

The part you highlighted was "But here is a key that you may be missing, Creed; standard commercial vehicles have no good reason to speed, LEO do."

So, are you saying you don't think that the police are/should be allowed to drive over the speed limit in certain circumstances? Or what?

 

[tim87tr]

Good fair discussion and analysis in this video. It was stated that there was 2.9 sec from door opening to shots fired. Definitely too many Karens and Kens in today's society tattling on everyone and everything.

 

[DadSmith]

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Good or Bad?

 

[Creedmoor]

https://fox59.com/news/deadly-police-chase-involving-rookie-henry-county-sheriffs-deputy-was-unsupervised/

 

[DadSmith]

 

[rosejm]

Seems that the department did not agree with the use of force.


Criminal charges are still being investigated by Florida Dept of Law Enforcement

 

[Route 45]

Text article:

Florida sheriff's office fires deputy who fatally shot airman at home

A Florida sheriff on Friday fired a deputy who fatally shot an airman at his home while holding a handgun pointed to the ground, saying the deputy’s life was never in danger and he should not have fired his weapon.

apnews.com

 

[Tombs]

Text article:

Florida sheriff's office fires deputy who fatally shot airman at home

A Florida sheriff on Friday fired a deputy who fatally shot an airman at his home while holding a handgun pointed to the ground, saying the deputy’s life was never in danger and he should not have fired his weapon.

apnews.com

Did he lose his retirement?

 

[Route 45]

Did he lose his retirement?

Not sure what department pays a retirement pension to fired employees with 3 years of service.

It's not like he was a congressman.

 

[SheepDog4Life]

Okaloosa county is Destin/FWB. I'm shocked by charges being filed, but then again, I was shocked that he was fired... loudly announced twice that he was sheriff's dept and the Airman opened the door carrying a handgun.

Tragic? Yes!

Criminal? I'm not seeing it... at all...

Ex-Florida deputy charged with manslaughter in shooting of U.S. Airman Roger Fortson

A manslaughter charge was filed against Duran after he allegedly shot and killed Roger Fortson in May.

www.usatoday.com

 

[Ark]

Okaloosa county is Destin/FWB. I'm shocked by charges being filed, but then again, I was shocked that he was fired... loudly announced twice that he was sheriff's dept and the Airman opened the door carrying a handgun.

Tragic? Yes!

Criminal? I'm not seeing it... at all...

Ex-Florida deputy charged with manslaughter in shooting of U.S. Airman Roger Fortson

A manslaughter charge was filed against Duran after he allegedly shot and killed Roger Fortson in May.

www.usatoday.com

Well, we all know why he was fired, and why he was charged.

If he smoked some white dude with missing teeth and meth in his bathroom drawer, we wouldn't be talking about this.

 

[ECS686]

Sort of proves why those sub 1 second draws can get a fella in trouble anywhere paper targets aren’t involved!

While it was completely unjustified I blame it on a couple factors mentioned. The god complex a LOT of Officers have and the debacle of LE trainjng now. In no cop left behind dumbed down qualification there is almost zero Cognative decision making taught by agencies, the program everyone that a gun = 100% bad. No assessment line what’s he doing with it. I’d sort of get it if the kid was aome in but down at bootleg ready with other hand up open

So with that department being 0 for 2 they probably should have a serious look at their training curriculum!

 

[Cameramonkey]

Well, we all know why he was fired, and why he was charged.

If he smoked some white dude with missing teeth and meth in his bathroom drawer, we wouldn't be talking about this.

I think this is some of that equity they talk about.

 

[Shadow01]

Okaloosa county is Destin/FWB. I'm shocked by charges being filed, but then again, I was shocked that he was fired... loudly announced twice that he was sheriff's dept and the Airman opened the door carrying a handgun.

Tragic? Yes!

Criminal? I'm not seeing it... at all...

Ex-Florida deputy charged with manslaughter in shooting of U.S. Airman Roger Fortson

A manslaughter charge was filed against Duran after he allegedly shot and killed Roger Fortson in May.

www.usatoday.com

Does “loudly announced”=the person in the apartment heard the announcement ?

 

[Cameramonkey]

Does “loudly announced”=the person in the apartment heard the announcement ?

To support the criminal charges, it doesnt matter. If he's heard calling out loudly on his body cam, he did his job. Not his fault if the kid didnt hear him.

 

[Shadow01]

To support the criminal charges, it doesnt matter. If he's heard calling out loudly on his body cam, he did his job. Not his fault if the kid didnt hear him.

Not his fault he was at the wrong address either? Guess we now have reached the pinnacle of society where we can all claim no responsibility. Glad we made it…